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If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? [#permalink]
21 Apr 2012, 21:23

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boomtangboy wrote:

If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? (A) y > 0 (B) y≥0 (C) y < 0 (D) y≤0 (E) y = 0

Why is just E incorrect?

Absolute value properties: When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\);

So, \(y+|y|=0\) --> \(|y|=-y\), which means that \(y\leq{0}\).

Answer: D.

As for your doubt: question asks which of the following MUST be true, not COULD be true. Since all negative values of y satisfy \(|y|=-y\) then it's not necessarily true that \(y=0\).

Re: If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? [#permalink]
08 May 2012, 09:03

Bunuel wrote:

boomtangboy wrote:

If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? (A) y > 0 (B) y≥0 (C) y < 0 (D) y≤0 (E) y = 0

Why is just E incorrect?

Absolute value properties: When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|\leq{-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|\leq{some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\);

So, \(y+|y|=0\) --> \(|y|=-y\), which means that \(y\leq{0}\).

Answer: D.

As for your doubt: question asks which of the following MUST be true, not COULD be true. Since all negative values of y satisfy \(|y|=-y\) then it's not necessarily true that \(y=0\).

Hope it's clear.

Hi ,

Thanks for the clear and concise explaination.

Just wanted to clarify one thing.

In mods the two conditions I know are applied include; If x<0 or if x>=0. However in the above explaination you have used x<=0. Was that used for some particular reason or my concepts of absolute values are incorrect.

Re: If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? [#permalink]
09 May 2012, 07:10

Bunuel wrote:

boomtangboy wrote:

If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? (A) y > 0 (B) y≥0 (C) y < 0 (D) y≤0 (E) y = 0

Why is just E incorrect?

Absolute value properties: When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|\leq{-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|\leq{some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\);

So, \(y+|y|=0\) --> \(|y|=-y\), which means that \(y\leq{0}\).

Answer: D.

As for your doubt: question asks which of the following MUST be true, not COULD be true. Since all negative values of y satisfy \(|y|=-y\) then it's not necessarily true that \(y=0\).

Hope it's clear.

Hi Bunuel, why are we considering the case of y=0, as if y=0, then the expression |y|=-y makes no sense, because |0|=0. and there is no +0 or -0. Please explain. Thanks in advance.

Re: If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? [#permalink]
09 May 2012, 07:26

Expert's post

piyushksharma wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

boomtangboy wrote:

If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? (A) y > 0 (B) y≥0 (C) y < 0 (D) y≤0 (E) y = 0

Why is just E incorrect?

Absolute value properties: When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|\leq{-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|\leq{some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\);

So, \(y+|y|=0\) --> \(|y|=-y\), which means that \(y\leq{0}\).

Answer: D.

As for your doubt: question asks which of the following MUST be true, not COULD be true. Since all negative values of y satisfy \(|y|=-y\) then it's not necessarily true that \(y=0\).

Hope it's clear.

Hi Bunuel, why are we considering the case of y=0, as if y=0, then the expression |y|=-y makes no sense, because |0|=0. and there is no +0 or -0. Please explain. Thanks in advance.

Not, so. You can write |0|=-0 and there is nothing wrong in that. _________________

Re: If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? [#permalink]
09 May 2012, 07:33

Bunuel wrote:

Not, so. You can write |0|=-0 and there is nothing wrong in that.

hm, absolute value of an integer means how far this integer is from zero. so, absolute value of zero iz zero, since zero is zero far from zero (sounds like a quote of Alice from Wonderland hehe) -0 looks weird to me, since zero is neither positive, nor negative, and has no sigh. But still, I wont claim that my way of thinking is right. I will believe to Bunuel )) amazing life, every day is a new discovery ) _________________

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I am still on all gmat forums. msg me if you want to ask me smth

Re: If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? [#permalink]
15 May 2012, 03:32

I have a question here.. if the the question was y + |y| = 2y , then can we say y>=0? given then 0+0 = 2(0). Please let me know in case I am doing something wrong. Thanks in advance.

Re: If y + | y | = 0, which of the following must be true? [#permalink]
15 May 2012, 03:45

Expert's post

pavanpuneet wrote:

I have a question here.. if the the question was y + |y| = 2y , then can we say y>=0? given then 0+0 = 2(0). Please let me know in case I am doing something wrong. Thanks in advance.

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