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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Please explain your answer.
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Re: SC: Discourse on Women [#permalink] New post 30 Jan 2008, 09:39
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I think the answe is E, as explained below:

A and B can be eliminated, since "a treatise" described the Discourse on Women.
Out of C, D and E. E is the only one that is parallel, since "that argued for " is parallel with "for changes in ".
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Re: SC: Discourse on Women [#permalink] New post 30 Jan 2008, 12:46
how can a treatise *argue* or *advocate* in a literal sense?
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Re: SC: Discourse on Women [#permalink] New post 30 Jan 2008, 18:30
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should be E. It has the right modifier and the right idiom in 'arguing for...'
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Please explain your answer.


Im going for E ||ism w/ argued for... and for changes.
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Re: SC: Discourse on Women [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2008, 06:35
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
X published a book, arguing ... something. This is wrong for me as the meaning can stand as book was published while she was arguing !
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
Same as A. Guys ( please any Guru ) please advice for the same, I don't think I am confident in my explanation
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
[ Not parallel ]
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
[ Not parallel ]
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
Correct. Happy to see a for in both sides.
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Re: SC: Discourse on Women [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2008, 08:35
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I am with B.


C , D , E are out (can't assign human traits to objects)

B says she argues in a treatise for (equal political and legal rights) for woman

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Re: SC: Discourse on Women [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2008, 12:02
Thanks for the explanation. OA is E.
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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2012, 17:28
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Please explain your answer.


Can someone please explain, what is structure of sentence above.

IS it : Time , clause , modifier. Then how modifier is modifying discourse.
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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2012, 20:24
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‘Discourse on women’ is the title of Mott’s publication comprising her speeches. This publication is a called a treatise that gives information about what the publication contains and as such, it is an appositive modifier of ‘Discourse on Women
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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2012, 17:02
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@raphardu

Correct Sentence:

In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

The structure of the correct sentence, which is (E), is as follows:

The phrase beginning with 'a treatise...' is an adjectival phrase modifying Discourse on Women.

Also, a 'treaty', or any document for that matter, can 'argue'.

e.g. The Declaration of Independence argued for the preeminence of men's freedom over the whimsies of tyranny.


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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 11:55
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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 11:57
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A> The construction is “arguing”+”in a treatise…” or participle + prepositional phrase. Or simply, it’s a participial phrase. Now, the participial phrase most likely modifies the subject, which is “Lucretia Mott”. Now the question is - Is Lucretia Mott arguing or is the argument in her book? When we look at the phrase “arguing in a treatise” , it is apparent that Lucretia is not arguing. Also, to+be construction is wordy. Be watchful

B> Same as above. The participial phrase as a modifier is not doing the justice.

C> An appositive “a treatise that..” is fixing the above problem. But it is introducing another problem. “a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women's property laws”. It is important to understand the construction of appositive. An appositive could be simply noun or noun+modifier. Here, we can write - a treatise (noun) that that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights (relative or adjective clause) and (a treatise) for changes in the married women's property laws (prepositional phrase). As you can see, a treatise for changes in the married women's property laws (prepositional phrase) does not make any sense. To correct this, we need (a treatise) that advocates for changes in the married women's property laws (adjective clause)
D> It is having the same problem as C. A treatise for changes in the married women's property laws (prepositional phrase) does not make any sense.
E> This answer choice fixed both problem. It introduced appositive correctly. Also, a parallelism is established with two prepositional phrases “for equal political and legal rights for women” and “for changes in the married women's property laws” that are modifying verb “argue” and act as a adverbial modifier

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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2013, 05:20
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Please explain your answer.


This question had bothered me long before I figured out why it is being said that Lucretia Mott is doing two things, although with casual read one feels its one thing.

I think the most important thing to notice here is the presence of article "a" before treatise. If we were to refer to Discourse on Women then the article should have been "the", which would mean we are referring to Discourse on Women. So the sentence then should have been "arguing in the treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights


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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2013, 10:28
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"arguing" is an -ing verb and so modifies Lucretia Mott, the subject of the sentence. However, it seems that "a treatise" should modify "Discourse on Women". How do we decide this? I'm confused here.


In this case you have to look at the meaning. "A treatise for women to have equal rights" - is this a description of the publication?
If so, then we disregard the possibility of the -ING verb describing Mott. Instead, you want the phrase that describes the publication.

The phrase would be either (C), (D), or (E). Since you have "In 1850" - you want past tense. So that would be (E) "a treatise that argued for equal blah blah blah".
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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2013, 00:24
First of all look for parallelism. " for changes in property laws " is similar to "for equal political and legal rights for women".

This brings us down to B & E.

In B , "arguing in a treatise" creates a confusion as it looks to refer not to "Discourse on Women" but to something else . Shows 2 different entities.

But in E the treatise clearly modifies the Discourse.

E it is. :-D
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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2013, 02:27
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"arguing" is an -ing verb and so modifies Lucretia Mott, the subject of the sentence. However, it seems that "a treatise" should modify "Discourse on Women". How do we decide this? I'm confused here.


In this case you have to look at the meaning. "A treatise for women to have equal rights" - is this a description of the publication?
If so, then we disregard the possibility of the -ING verb describing Mott. Instead, you want the phrase that describes the publication.

The phrase would be either (C), (D), or (E). Since you have "In 1850" - you want past tense. So that would be (E) "a treatise that argued for equal blah blah blah".


Hi GMATPILL,

By your explanation ,it implies that whenever their is a choice that has to be made between

Noun+Noun Modifier modifying NOUN(Object case)
and
-ING modifier modifying the NOUN(Subject case)

Noun+Noun Modifier Wins.

Is that the case or I have perceived it wrongly.

Please advise as I have the same doubt as to why -ING (B) was not the best option?

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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 02 Oct 2013, 10:34
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Please explain your answer.


In option A and B comma + ING would modify the entire clause and would go back to subject .
Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing
So how Lucretia Mott published ? Ans is By arguing -- incorrect meaning .
C,D,and E have a modifier but only in option E for equal political and legal rights for women || for changes in the married women’s property laws.
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Re: In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, [#permalink] New post 07 Jan 2014, 00:46
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Please explain your answer.


published is in past participle form, so we need past participle.. A/B/C/D gone, only E has "argued".. 25 seconds.


EDIT: I do not understand why the above discussion does not bring this fact up? Of course, if the sentence is introduced in past tense, we cannot jump into present tense (either in simple present or present participle), right? It makes no sense and surely distorts the intended meaning.

When we have "that argued" - especially in ONE of the five answer choices - that indicated to us that the intended meaning is NOT distorted. The author introduces some anecdote about a past event, and keeps on talking in past tense..

Is this approach flawed, since I did not attack this question by going at modifiers?

(Of course, we could attack C/D for the possesive form women's distorting intended meaning also, this is also not related to modifiers per se)
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