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In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2012, 03:29
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In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board, everything from arrows and longbows to a barber-surgeon's chest containing items commonly used by sixteenth-century medics.

A)In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
B)Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
D)Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with
E)Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had

Sorry there was an error in answer choice C now it should be right.
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2012, 05:32
Why is D incorrect? D is the only one which uses correct passive voice.

What is the source of this problem?
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2012, 05:36
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Why is D incorrect? D is the only one which uses correct passive voice.

What is the source of this problem?


Source is from the new question bank from the new GMAT prep software. I am on my iPad right now so when I get my laptop out I will confirm
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2012, 05:55
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Source is from the new question bank from the new GMAT prep software. I am on my iPad right now so when I get my laptop out I will confirm


Cool. The GMAT prep 2.0 you mean? Or the additional 400 questions that they are giving away for 30 something bucks?

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Re: In 1982, archaeologists [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2012, 06:19
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hfbamafan wrote:
Source is from the new question bank from the new GMAT prep software. I am on my iPad right now so when I get my laptop out I will confirm


Cool. The GMAT prep 2.0 you mean? Or the additional 400 questions that they are giving away for 30 something bucks?

Thanks for posting the question. +1 to you! :)



Yes, GMAT prep 2.0 with the additional question package for 25 bucks. Well worth is instead of buying the new book.

Also there was a problem in answer choice C and now it is in fact right.
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2012, 06:52
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We must decide one thing regarding the status of the 17000 artifacts before we proceed further. The question is whether the ship sank with the artifacts on board or were they found at the time of recovery. By virtue of being placed just next to the sinking, we have to construe that the artifacts were there on board at the point of sinking. Let us see which choice carries this essence faithfully.

A) In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board, ---- The use of the phrase having sunk leaves the sub – clause into a fragment

B)Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board, ---very ungrammatical construction with the first part in active voice and the second part in passive and a run-on with another full fledged clause without a proper conjunction
C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,--- When did they find the 17000 artifacts? At the time of sinking or at recovery? If it is at the time of recovery, then it is altered intent. In addition the sentence poor active voice and passive voice combo; it should be was recovered. Else, it will mean that the ship recovered something.

D) Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with—If the archeologists found the art treasure in 1982, then it is against the grain of original intent. The comma after archeologists is also problematic
E)Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had—misplaced modification The ship did not find the art pieces. The archeologists did

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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 13:06
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In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board, everything from arrows and longbows to a barber-surgeon's chest containing items commonly used by sixteenth-century medics.

A)In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
B)Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
D)Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with
E)Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had

Sorry there was an error in answer choice C now it should be right.


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Please edit your answer C to avoid sensless discussions.

Here is the correct version of C

C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 22:25
yes there are many typos i guess.. See the non-underlined part isn't the correct idiom From A to B and not From A and B?

Does the s/w says From A and B?

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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 17 Mar 2013, 10:31
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The official answer for this is C.

I am ok with eliminating the rest but confused with C.

@daagh: shouldnt there be a connector after the comma? Because the sentence starting 'everything from... ' looks to be a dependent clause.
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 17 Mar 2013, 14:08
Choice C looks best of all.

Just one confusion, .....and, was ..... what is the purpose of "and,"
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 00:09
Hi Sdas,

Here is the underlined part of C

C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

I think you're correct, the sentence would work with or without the 'and'. But as there are so many issues with the other answers, this extra word is not what's being tested...

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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2013, 05:26
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2013, 18:47
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In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board, everything from arrows and longbows to a barber-surgeon's chest containing items commonly used by sixteenth-century medics.

A)In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
B)Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
D)Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with
E)Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had

Sorry there was an error in answer choice C now it should be right.


Hi

Please edit your answer C to avoid sensless discussions.

Here is the correct version of C

C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,


C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

No "and"
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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 20 Aug 2014, 22:36
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The official answer for this is C.

I am ok with eliminating the rest but confused with C.

@daagh: shouldn't there be a connector after the comma? Because the sentence starting 'everything from... ' looks to be a dependent clause.



Option C

is wrongly written here.

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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2014, 22:44
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We must decide one thing regarding the status of the 17000 artifacts before we proceed further. The question is whether the ship sank with the artifacts on board or were they found at the time of recovery. By virtue of being placed just next to the sinking, we have to construe that the artifacts were there on board at the point of sinking. Let us see which choice carries this essence faithfully.

A) In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board, ---- The use of the phrase having sunk leaves the sub – clause into a fragment

B)Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board, ---very ungrammatical construction with the first part in active voice and the second part in passive and a run-on with another full fledged clause without a proper conjunction
C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,--- When did they find the 17000 artifacts? At the time of sinking or at recovery? If it is at the time of recovery, then it is altered intent. In addition the sentence poor active voice and passive voice combo; it should be was recovered. Else, it will mean that the ship recovered something.

D) Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with—If the archeologists found the art treasure in 1982, then it is against the grain of original intent. The comma after archeologists is also problematic
E)Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had—misplaced modification The ship did not find the art pieces. The archeologists did

So we are back to square one . May be reluctantly D is passable.


I am still unable to justify why A and D is wrong. In a A does the participle phrase modify the preceding clause ? So in order to rectify the error we need a verb. Let me know if my understanding is correct.

In D Having sunk correctly should modify Mary Rose...and "finding more than" correctly modifies the preceding clause ( Result of recovery ). But in the given context, I have a doubt if Having sunk is actually modifying the archeologist. In passive form, the subject is on the receiving end, and so does archeologists in the question. Please clarify what is the rule when we see a verb-ing followed by passive construction.

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Re: In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2014, 11:51
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Thank you James. This reminds me.... "Best does not mean ideal" - quote MGMAT


There is one more quote "Awful is neither best nor ideal."

All the options are just awful. C is a grammatical nightmare.
C) When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

It can be rephrased as
When X sank in 1545 and, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found Y on board.

Now due to the use of words "When" and "and", it is clear that the 1st two clauses are not modifiers. Also the 2 clauses are not independent clauses.
So the only reason to have the conjunction "and" is to separate a list and whenever there is a list in a sentence then each of the list items individually must make sense in the sentence.

When X sank in 1545 archaeologists found Y on board. - Incorrect
When X was recovered in 1982 archaeologists found Y on board. - Correct

The 1st sentence makes no sense at all. How could the archaeologists have found something on board a ship when it sank. Sounds more like the job of a rescue/salvage team :lol: .

If we get rid of "and", the sentence becomes worse When X sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found Y on board.
What is the role of "was recovered in 1982". It's like saying "When something happened, something else happened, someone found something".
This is how a 2 year old speaks.
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