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5 digit no can be arranged in 9*10*10*10*10 ways ( if repetition allowed )
3 2digit no can be inserted in _ _ _ _ _ 5 digit ID no in 2 ways
(i) ID starting with 2 so thr are 5 ways in whch 3-2's can be placed in 5 slots 222--,22--2,2--22,2-2-2,2-22- remaining 2 digits can be filled in 9ways ( 0-9 digits excluding 2) each, and they can be arranged among themselves in 2 ways so total 9*9*5*2 ways
(ii) ID not starting with 2 ,, thr are 4 ways -222-,-22-2,-2-22-,--222 1st digit can be filled by any digit 1-9 excluding 2, so 8 ways 5th slot can be filled by 9 ways n both themselves can be arranged among themselves in 2 ways so total 8*9*4*2
that brings us to (9*9*5*2 + 8*9*4*2)/9*10*10*10*10 = 9*2(45+32)/9*10*10*10*10 = 2*77/10000 = 1.52%
5 digit no can be arranged in 9*10*10*10*10 ways ( if repetition allowed )
3 2digit no can be inserted in _ _ _ _ _ 5 digit ID no in 2 ways
(i) ID starting with 2 so thr are 5 ways in whch 3-2's can be placed in 5 slots 222--,22--2,2--22,2-2-2,2-22- remaining 2 digits can be filled in 9ways ( 0-9 digits excluding 2) each, and they can be arranged among themselves in 2 ways so total 9*9*5*2 ways
(ii) ID not starting with 2 ,, thr are 4 ways -222-,-22-2,-2-22-,--222 1st digit can be filled by any digit 1-9 excluding 2, so 8 ways 5th slot can be filled by 9 ways n both themselves can be arranged among themselves in 2 ways so total 8*9*4*2
that brings us to (9*9*5*2 + 8*9*4*2)/9*10*10*10*10 = 9*2(45+32)/9*10*10*10*10 = 2*77/10000 = 1.52%
I hope the logic works out to be correct
First: there is some problems in calculations, then the answer doesn't match with the choices provided. _________________
I have been trying this problem for sometime and here is my approach.. Total number of 5 digit numbers = 99999-10000+1=90,000 No. of ways of arranging 3 digits as 2 = 5C3=10.
Arrangements are as follows. Here X can be any digit other than 2
I have been trying this problem for sometime and here is my approach.. Total number of 5 digit numbers = 99999-10000+1=90,000 No. of ways of arranging 3 digits as 2 = 5C3=10.
Arrangements are as follows. Here X can be any digit other than 2
Here the first X cannot be digit '0' so no. of arrangements with first digit as 'X' = 8*9=72. Total such arrangements = 72*5=360
no. of arrangements with first digit as '2'=9*9=81 Total such arrangements = 81*5=405
Now there is some double counting where 'XX' are together.I have counted 00,11,33,44,55,66,77,88,99 as different numbers.. So need to subtract these..
In combination XX222 '00' is not present. So 8 combinations In combinations '222XX', '22XX2', '2XX22', there are 3*9=27 combinations.
Hence 765-(27+8)= 730 Total probability= (730/90,000)*100 ~ 0.81%. IMO answer is A
Couldn't understand this part:
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Now there is some double counting where 'XX' are together.I have counted 00,11,33,44,55,66,77,88,99 as different numbers.. So need to subtract these..
In combination XX222 '00' is not present. So 8 combinations In combinations '222XX', '22XX2', '2XX22', there are 3*9=27 combinations.
What exactly do you mean by double counting. Request you to explain this in detail.... Probably would be better if you could use some numbers as example and explain.
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Ok let me try with an example..Though not sure how to explain more clearly.. For the combination, say 2XX22, numbers can vary between be 20022 to 29922. Hence total of 29922-20022+1=100 numbers. Of these 100 numbers, 19 numbers have more than three 2s. Hence 100-19=81.
Of these 81 numbers the following numbers are counted twice..Here when the 100th digit and 1000th digit are same, the numbers are counted twice though infact they are the same... 20022,21122,23322,24422,25522,26622,27722,28822,29922 Hence need to subtract 9.
This happens again with 22XX2, 9 times as well.. 22002,22112,22332,22442,22552,22662,22772,22882,22992...
For XX222, only 8 such combinations exist.. 11222,33222,44222,55222,66222,77222,88222,99222. Here key is to look for unique combinations..
I hope this clarifies your question..And maybe there is a simpler method to solve this
Note: Although you came up with 10 ways, your listed 10 ways had an issue. Please check with the combination in ur post.
Considering the first 6 ways, which have 2 in as the first start digit (from left): In 222XX, the first X from left can be filled up in 9 different ways (total 10 digits and we exclude digit 2 from this. Hence 9 digits) Similarly the second X from left can also be filled up in 9 different ways. Reason Both X can be same also as there isn't any condition on it. Therefore 222XX can be filled up in 9X9 ways i.e. 81. (I guess u got his number with a different approach which is also correct. I have used the generic approach followed in probability! But no worries as we both are on the same page ultimately)
Now comes the substraction which I do not understand the reason for! To make my point clear, I would list the 222XX combinations for you:
In the above table I dont see any number which is repeated or duplicated as per you. Hence this is where I am lost!
Anyway.. continuing the above approach... in the first 6 ways, we can have 81 X 6 = 486 numbers!
For the remaining 4 ways, we have the following explanation: 7. XX222 8. X222X 9. X2X22 10.X22X2
In the above sequence of numbers, the first X from left can be filled up by 8 different digits. (Out of the 10 digits, we remove 2 and 0 leaving only 8 possible digits) The second X can anyway be filled up by 9 different digits (Leaving only 2 out of the 10 digits)
Hence for each way we have 8X9 = 72 numbers. Therefore for 4 ways we have 72X4 = 288 numbers! Summing the 10 ways, we get 486 + 288 = 774 numbers Total number possible = 9 X 10 X 10 X 10 X 10 = 90000 numbers
Therefore probability % = (774 / 90000) X 100 = 0.86%. I know the answer isn't among the options and this makes me feel a bit less confident. Do let me know if you identify any loops in my approach!
For the additional question stated: Find the probability that any three digits (exactly three) are the same. the approach is as follows:
Let us consider the following combinations. The combination would be same as consider for 2. Only difference is that we can replace 2 with Y for now.
Considering the first 6 ways: YYYXX - We can choose first Y in 9 different ways (Leave out 0 from 10 digits). Once first Y is selected, the other Ys would be the same and hence no selection required. The first X can be selected in 9 different ways (leave out the digit selected for Y from 10 digits). The second X can be selected in 8 ways (leave out the digit selected for Y and for the first X from 10 digits). Therefore we have YYYXX as 9 x 1 x 1 x 9 x 8 = 648 numbers Hence for 6 ways we have 648 x 6 = 3888 numbers
Considering the next 4 ways: XXYYY - We can chose the first Y in 10 different ways. As before, once first Y is selected, the other Ys would be the same and hence no selection required. Returning to X, the first X can be filled in 8 ways (leave out 0 and Y digit from 10 digits) and the second X can be selected in 8 ways (leave out the digit selected for Y and for the first X from 10 digits). Therefore we have XXYYY as 8 x 8 x 10 x 1 x 1 = 880 numbers Hence for the 4 ways we have 880 x 4 = 3520 numbers Summing the numbers possible in 10 ways = 3888 + 3520 = 7408 Total Numbers = 90000 (as before)
Therefore probability = 7408/90000 = 0.0823 = 8.23%
Please feel free to share your analysis...
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hi i think it does not req such long calculations my ans A... there are 5 digits each place can have any of ten digits so total posb=10^5... now three places only two can be there and rest two can have any of remaining nine digits... so posb=1*1*1*9*9*5c3.. prob=.81%... although i might be still missing something.. ill try again _________________
hi i think it does not req such long calculations my ans A... there are 5 digits each place can have any of ten digits so total posb=10^5... now three places only two can be there and rest two can have any of remaining nine digits... so posb=1*1*1*9*9*5c3.. prob=.81%... although i might be still missing something.. ill try again
Chetan, I guess this is wat you r missing. Please check my explanation below:
First of all we would need to consider total number of 5 digit IDs as : 9 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 90000 and not \(10^5\) as we cannot have 0 in the first place, else it would become 4 digit ID. Now as you consider for 3 places to be filled with digit 2, the possible number of combinations = 1 x 1 x 1 x 9 x 9 x 5c3 = 810 number. Again this includes the possibility of having digit 0 as the first or having digit 0 as both first and second. We need to subtract the number falling into this category from 810. Hence we again arrive at the 4 combinations as follows where 0 could be the first or second: XX222 X222X X2X22 X22X2 Its only in them we can have 0 as first. If u notice, we could have 0 as both first and second in the first combination only. For 0 as the first digit, we have the following posb = 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 9 x 4 = 36 For 0 as both as first and second digit we have only 1 posb i.e. 00222 or 222. Therefore we need to subtract 36+1 = 37 from 810. This gives us the actuall posb = 810-37 = 773
Hence probability % = \(\frac{773}{90000}\) x 100 = 0.858% \(\approx\) 0.86%
I know I do not match the options given but am a little lost as I feel the logic to be correct! I hope am on the right track!
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hi i think it does not req such long calculations my ans A... there are 5 digits each place can have any of ten digits so total posb=10^5... now three places only two can be there and rest two can have any of remaining nine digits... so posb=1*1*1*9*9*5c3.. prob=.81%... although i might be still missing something.. ill try again
Chetan, I guess this is wat you r missing. Please check my explanation below:
First of all we would need to consider total number of 5 digit IDs as : 9 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 90000 and not \(10^5\) as we cannot have 0 in the first place, else it would become 4 digit ID. Now as you consider for 3 places to be filled with digit 2, the possible number of combinations = 1 x 1 x 1 x 9 x 9 x 5c3 = 810 number. Again this includes the possibility of having digit 0 as the first or having digit 0 as both first and second. We need to subtract the number falling into this category from 810. Hence we again arrive at the 4 combinations as follows where 0 could be the first or second: XX222 X222X X2X22 X22X2 Its only in them we can have 0 as first. If u notice, we could have 0 as both first and second in the first combination only. For 0 as the first digit, we have the following posb = 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 9 x 4 = 36 For 0 as both as first and second digit we have only 1 posb i.e. 00222 or 222. Therefore we need to subtract 36+1 = 37 from 810. This gives us the actuall posb = 810-37 = 773
Hence probability % = \(\frac{773}{90000}\) x 100 = 0.858% \(\approx\) 0.86%
I know I do not match the options given but am a little lost as I feel the logic to be correct! I hope am on the right track!
Thanks, JT
No, that was not the thing chetan2u was missing. First ID number CAN start with 0, no problem with that. It's 5 digit number which can not start with 0. Can't you have ID (credit card) with number 01234?
In that case, I guess chetan2u was correct. Total posb = \(10^5\) Posb of having 3 2 digits = 1 x 1 x 1 x 9 x 9 x 5c3 = 810 Therefore probablity % = \(\frac{810}{10^5}\) x 100 = 0.81 %
Guess would wait for your solution!
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I was beginning to rethink whether I should restart my Math prep again
Thanks for clarifying the same Bunuel!
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My approach was finding total possibilities, and dividing out the number of possibilities with exactly three 2s.
Total possibilities = 100000
Two of the digits have 9 possible choices each, and the other three must be 2s, and the number of ways of choosing the three spaces that must have 2s is 5c3 = 10
Uhm, what does ID mean? My approach: there are 2 types of number satisfying: 2abcd (2 of a,b,c,d are digit 2) and Amnpq (A is different from 2; 3 of m,n,p,q are digit 2) 2abcd: 4C2 * 9 * 9 desired outcomes Amnpq: 8* 4C3 *9
Found this question elsewhere and think it was solved incorrectly. Give it a try. Only my solution to follow as no OA.
1) In a 5 digit ID number, what is the probability of exactly three digits are the digit 2? 2) Additional question: Find the probability that any three digits (exactly three) are the same.
1) total ways = 10^5 3 digits of 2 and the rest 2 digits are different = 9 * 9 * 5c3 (5c3 to pick 3 places for 2's and the rest possibilities are filled with one of the remaining 9 numbers) probability = 0.81% 2) extension to the above problem - multiply by 10 as there are 10 single digit numbers probability = 8.1%
1x1x1x9x9 = 81. This much is understood. I also understand that there are 5C3 ways in which the number 2 can be distributed among the 5 places. But what happens when the other 2 places are filled by the same number? For example, if the ID has the digits 22255 then these can form 5!/3!x2! numbers i.e. 10 numbers. But if the ID has 22237, for example, then there are 5!/3! = 20 combinations. Therefore, we cannot simply perform the multiplication of 81 with 5C3. In fact, we have to treat these cases separately as follows: 1x1x1x9x8 x 5!/3! = 1440 (here the other two numbers are different) 1x1x1x9x1 x 5!/3!x2!= 90 (here the other two numbers are the same) Therefore, the total possibilities are 1440+90=1530. Hence the prob. is 1530/90,000= .017%
The question is ambiguous. No where it is mentioned that 00000 could be taken as a 5 digit ID number. Going by actual 5 digit no.s, I think the answer should be 0.86 %
No. of 5 digit numbers = 9*10*10*10*10 = 90,000 Possible no.s with 2 in the ten thousands position = 1*4C2*9*9= 486 Possible no.s with any other no. in the ten thousands position = 8*4C3*9 = 288
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