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In a game, one player throws two fair, six-sided die at the same time. If the player receives at least a five or a one on either die, that player wins. What is the probability that a player wins after playing the game once?

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Option C.

the number of cases in which he can lose the game are when both the faces have neither of 5 or 1 or both. so the possible combinations are (2,2),(2,3),(2,4) (2,6) and 12 more with 3,4,6.

probability of loss = # loss cases/# total no of cases = 16/36 or 4/9

hence probability of win = 1-p(loss). = 1-(4/9) = 5/9

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We have 2 good (read five and one) possibilities (\(G\)) on 6 faces G=2/6 and 4 bad possibilities (\(B\)) on 6 faces B=4/6 The winning combinations are the ones with at least a \(G\) in it so: \(G,B\) \(B,G\) \(G,G\)

\(G,B\) and \(B,G\) have the same probability \(\frac{2}{6}*\frac{4}{6}=\frac{2}{9}\) each \(G,G\) has a probability of \(\frac{2}{6}*\frac{2}{6}=\frac{1}{9}\) Sum them up \(\frac{2}{9}+\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{9}=\frac{5}{9}\) _________________

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karishmatandon wrote:

In a game, one player throws two fair, six-sided die at the same time. If the player receives at least a five or a one on either die, that player wins. What is the probability that a player wins after playing the game once?

A. 1/3 B. 4/9 C. 5/9 D. 2/3 E. 3/4

Probably the easiest approach would be to find the probability of the opposite event and subtract it from 1:

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Zarrolou wrote:

We have 2 good (read five and one) possibilities (\(G\)) on 6 faces G=2/6 and 4 bad possibilities (\(B\)) on 6 faces B=4/6 The winning combinations are the ones with at least a \(G\) in it so: \(G,B\) \(B,G\) \(G,G\)

\(G,B\) and \(B,G\) have the same probability \(\frac{2}{6}*\frac{4}{6}=\frac{2}{9}\) each \(G,G\) has a probability of \(\frac{2}{6}*\frac{2}{6}=\frac{1}{9}\) Sum them up \(\frac{2}{9}+\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{9}=\frac{5}{9}\)

WHy in both winning combination we are calculating for GG only once . May be on first die 5 and second die one or on first die one and second die 5...These can combinations can also occur na? ..WHy we are not considering this scenario? _________________

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WHy in both winning combination we are calculating for GG only once . May be on first die 5 and second die one or on first die one and second die 5...These can combinations can also occur na? ..WHy we are not considering this scenario?

Hi skamal7,

Consider the following example that will explain better than any theoretical information. You say that G,G should be counted twice, so the possible combinations are:

G,G=1/9 G,G=1/9 B,G=2/9 G,B=2/9 B,B=4/9 [ also if your method is correct B,B should be counted twice =4/9 ]

don't you see anything odd? The sum of the probability of each case is greater than 1! \(\frac{1+1+2+2+4}{9}=\frac{10}{9}\) [ if you count B,B twice it becomes \(\frac{14}{9}\) ]

Why does this happen?Let's look at the theory now The formula to solve this problem is \((nCk)p^k*q^{(n-k)}\) where p=1/3 and q=2/3 and N are the dies and K are the good outcomes:

Case two good \((2C2)(\frac{1}{3})^2(\frac{2}{3})^0=\frac{1}{9}\) Case one good one bad \((2C1)(\frac{1}{3})^1(\frac{2}{3})^1=\frac{4}{9}\) Case two bad \((2C0)(\frac{1}{3})^0(\frac{2}{3})^2=\frac{4}{9}\)

Tot sum = \(\frac{1+4+4}{9}=1\)

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karishmatandon wrote:

In a game, one player throws two fair, six-sided die at the same time. If the player receives at least a five or a one on either die, that player wins. What is the probability that a player wins after playing the game once?

A. 1/3 B. 4/9 C. 5/9 D. 2/3 E. 3/4

Instead of trying to count the overlapping events and thereby complicating the probability calculation, we can simply calculate the probability of 'not winning' and subtract it from 1 to get the probability of 'winning'

Therefore required probability \(P = 1 - (\frac{4}{6})*(\frac{4}{6})\)

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I also got confused with this at least, i interpreted it as 5-x 6-x 1-x 5-1 6-1 vice-versa cases. _________________

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dyaffe55 wrote:

I think the question should be re-worded. 'At least a five' sounds like >= 5. Therefore, my result was 1-(1/2*1/2) = 3/4

I made the same mistake as well... But for the condition above wouldnt the answer be 5/6?

Bunuel/Zarroulou could you confirm? If a win was 1,5,6 instead of 1 and 5? _________________

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I meant the condition for a win was at least a five (5 or 6) or 1 on either die... _________________

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Question is not clear when it refers to 'at least' does it refer to at least a 5, that meaning 5 or 6? Or does it refer to have at least one of two: either a 5 or a 1?

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Hi All,

This question can be solved with "brute force." Since you're rolling 2 dice, there aren't that many possible outcomes (just 36 in total), so you COULD just write them all down:

We're looking for the number of outcomes that include AT LEAST a 1 or a 5.

1,1 1,2 1,3 1,4 1,5 1,6

2,1 2,5

3,1 3,5

4,1 4,5

5,1 5,2 5,3 5,4 5,5 5,6

6,1 6,5

Total possibilities = 20

Probability of rolling at least a 1 or a 5 on two dice: 20/36 = 5/9

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hi experts!

when I was solving this question, I merely added the probability of the two dices rolling a '5' or a '1' each; 2/6 + 2/6 = 2/3 since both are independent events.

which scenario did I overcount and when should I be solving the opposite events then subtracting it from 1? I've been solving over 50 probability questions and I'm still not getting a hang of it.

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