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In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

(A) In a period of time when women typically have
(B) During a time in which typically women have
(C) Typically, during a time when women
(D) At a time when women typically
(E) Typically in a time in which women
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04 Sep 2009, 23:08
IMO D

In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

(A) In a period of time when women typically have
(B) During a time in which typically women have
(C) Typically, during a time when women
(D) At a time when women typically
(E) Typically in a time in which women

Typically is an adverb and should modify the verb "had" in this case. so eliminate B,C,E. In A there is no need for "have" bcoz we r talking abt the past simple past is sufficient.
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05 Sep 2009, 23:54
I was not sure when the writer is making a call..

If past tense, then yes 'D' is obvious choice.
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12 Jun 2010, 22:36
'Have had' is present perfect tense, which is used to connect the past with the present. However in this sentence, we dont intend to do any such thing. Since we are just stating a fact that took place in the past, we will use simple tense. Hence AB out. Typically is an adverb, and adverbs modify verbs. Hence adverbs should be placed closed to the verbs they modify, in this case typically should be placed close to 'had'. Also in this case your sentence actually reads, Typically Mary Baker Eddy, which changes the meaning. DE out..C is correct answer
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23 Jun 2010, 07:47
Hi roshanaslam, I think you meant D.

D for me too for the reasons metnioned above.
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A tip on idiomatic usage of the prepositions in, on, and at:

In describing time, we would I was born "In 1980, in the spring, in May, on Tuesday, at 9:00," right?

Did you notice a pattern? As we move from in to on to at, we move from general to specific.

So use at to express specificity.

Other examples:

The unemployment rate is at 5%.

The students met at 252 Park Ave.
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23 Jun 2010, 22:44
Hi Sarai

Now between A and D. The split is - in a period of time / at a time.
(A) In a period of time when women typically have -----> I think this is wordy. The author could have said "in times when"
(D) At a time when women typically

And tense issue :
A) In a period of time when women typically have had......, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer
A)- have had means present perfect. I don't see a reason why there should be a switch from present perfect to past. Present perfect may mean "just 2 minutes ago" but in the past nonetheless.

But there is 100% reason to couple "present perfect" with "present" e.g. a situation which started in the past continues in the present. E.g
Geologists believe that the Bering land bridge, over which human beings are thought to have first entered the Americas, disappeared about 14,000 years ago [geologists used to believe, they still believe and probably they will believe in the future - so we say "human beings have entered" present perfect]

But now see this example -
The success of the program to eradicate smallpox has stimulated experts to pursue something they had not previously considered possible-better control, if not eradication, of such infections as measles and yaws.(Source: GMATPrep)

It uses present perfect with the simple past - and the sentence is correct. So it means there can be different "time frames" in the same sentence, leading to different tenses - we just know about simple past + past perfect coupling but there are many more which are valid. Am I correct?? Pls provide your feedback.

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A tip on idiomatic usage of the prepositions in, on, and at:

In describing time, we would I was born "In 1980, in the spring, in May, on Tuesday, at 9:00," right?

Did you notice a pattern? As we move from in to on to at, we move from general to specific.

So use at to express specificity.

Other examples:

The unemployment rate is at 5%.

The students met at 252 Park Ave.

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Hi Sarai

Now between A and D. The split is - in a period of time / at a time.
(A) In a period of time when women typically have -----> I think this is wordy. The author could have said "in times when"
(D) At a time when women typically

And tense issue :
A) In a period of time when women typically have had......, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer
A)- have had means present perfect. I don't see a reason why there should be a switch from present perfect to past. Present perfect may mean "just 2 minutes ago" but in the past nonetheless.

But there is 100% reason to couple "present perfect" with "present" e.g. a situation which started in the past continues in the present. E.g
Geologists believe that the Bering land bridge, over which human beings are thought to have first entered the Americas, disappeared about 14,000 years ago [geologists used to believe, they still believe and probably they will believe in the future - so we say "human beings have entered" present perfect]

But now see this example -
The success of the program to eradicate smallpox has stimulated experts to pursue something they had not previously considered possible-better control, if not eradication, of such infections as measles and yaws.(Source: GMATPrep)

It uses present perfect with the simple past - and the sentence is correct. So it means there can be different "time frames" in the same sentence, leading to different tenses - we just know about simple past + past perfect coupling but there are many more which are valid. Am I correct?? Pls provide your feedback.

Thanks
mavrik

SaraiGMAXonline wrote:
A tip on idiomatic usage of the prepositions in, on, and at:

In describing time, we would I was born "In 1980, in the spring, in May, on Tuesday, at 9:00," right?

Did you notice a pattern? As we move from in to on to at, we move from general to specific.

So use at to express specificity.

Other examples:

The unemployment rate is at 5%.

The students met at 252 Park Ave.

For all of you out there who are encountering difficulties with tenses--

Tenses Tip: Do not focus on the relationship between the verbs in different clauses. Look for the time modifier for each individual verb!!

For example: It is perfectly correct to say,

1) I danced last night and will read tonight.
2) I have danced for the past ten years and read every day.
3) I have broken my leg and will not go to work next week.
...

Sentences like these could be created endlessly-- the tenses are entirely independent of one another. They key words/phrases that describe 'when' the action happened "last", "ago", "for ten years"... etc. are what determine the tense of any given verb. (They are called 'time modifiers'.)

Any time modifier that points to a specific point in time in the past ('last', 'ago', 'in', 'on', 'at', 'when', 'until') indicates a need for the past simple.

Any time modifier that involves the present ('since', 'recently', 'lately', 'already', 'yet', 'always', 'never') indicates a need for the present perfect, which combines the present ('have'/'has') and past (V3).

"In a period" and "at a time" are both time modifiers indicating the past simple.

Hope that helps!

Best,
Sarai

For more on tenses, checkout SC Lesson 7 at gmaxonline!
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In A and B, the present tense verb have does not match the past tense of the non-underlined verb became. Eliminate A and B.

In C and E, it is unclear what is modified by the adverb typically. Typically seems to be incorrectly modifying the verb became, but the intended meaning of the sentence is not that Mary Baker Eddy typically became a distinguished writer. The intended meaning is quite opposite: that, when Mary became a distinguished writer, women typically had a narrow range of choices. Eliminate C and E.

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26 May 2015, 21:11
IMO D.

Only C and D come close to become to OA. As for C, the sentence should make sence even without the clause in between the comma. But it does not make sense.

Also at a time is more specific of the time than during the time.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

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In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

(A) In a period of time when women typically have present perfect tense is not correct
(B) During a time in which typically women havepresent perfect tense is not correct
(C) Typically, during a time when women "typically" must refer to the narrow range of choices women had
(D) At a time when women typically
(E) Typically in a time in which women "typically" must refer to the narrow range of choices women had
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