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In addition to her work on the miocene homicide fosiil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting East African paintings.

(A) Leakey contributed to archaeology with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting
(B) Leakey contributed to archaeology by her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and by painstakingly documenting
(C) Leakey was a contributor to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and with her painstaking documentation of
(D) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and her painstaking documentation of
(E) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of

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Hey Mike,
Can you please help me with this question.
If the OA of the problem here is D, then there is no antecedent of her. Please let me know what is wrong in my reasoning.
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I'm happy to respond. :-)

Here's a blog you may find helpful:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-pronoun-traps/

The rule is: a noun in the possessive (such as "Leakey's") cannot be an antecedent of a pronoun unless the pronoun is also in the possessive. A noun in the possessive can be the antecedent for a possessive pronoun. Thus, "Leakey's" can be the antecedent of "her." This appears often on the GMAT SC, and it often trips up the students who believe that a possessive noun can never be an antecedent.

Does all this make sense?
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If the OA of the problem here is D, then what is the antecedent of her. Can someone please help. I am not really convinced with the OA



I can try though.

In addition to her workX, Maria blah blah blah.

Maria cannot be in addition to her workX,but there must be some other work of Maria which is in addition to her workX. Hence , A/B/C are out.

In addition to her work on the miocene homicide fosiil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting East African paintings.

(A) Leakey contributed to archaeology with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting

(B) Leakey contributed to archaeology by her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and by painstakingly documenting

(C) Leakey was a contributor to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and with her painstaking documentation of


(D) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and her painstaking documentation of

(E) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of

Between (D) and (E)

And as pointed by Piyush the possessive pronouns can refer back to possessive nouns and that is the case here.
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In addition to her work on the miocene homicide fosiil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting East African paintings

(A) Leakey contributed to archaeology with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting

(B) Leakey contributed to archaeology by her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and by painstakingly documenting

(C) Leakey was a contributor to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and with her painstaking documentation of

(D) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and her painstaking documentation of

(E) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of

see non underlined part what can be addition of work , for sure Mary can be herself

Only D and E left between d and e if you look closely

In D include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation

In E :-Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of (wrong)

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psharma21 wrote:
In addition to her work on the miocene homicide fosiil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting East African paintings.

(A) Leakey contributed to archaeology with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting

(B) Leakey contributed to archaeology by her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and by painstakingly documenting

(C) Leakey was a contributor to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and with her painstaking documentation of

(D) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and her painstaking documentation of

(E) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of

In this question, many websites have quoted D as the OA... but "in addition to her.." the her here is not Leakey's Contribution. This seems to me like a modifier error. Please help.

ALSO i tried the GMAT prep questions on this website, and my accuracy was 60-70%, which is very scary because i have worked very hard to improve this part. Should i expect this level of difficulty on the exam day as well? RC is my nemesis and CR not extremely friendly so... SC was supposed to be my savior and mind you, my GMAT is in 3 days!! :?


Can I ask where this question was sourced from? Want to make sure I respond appropriately.
Thanks.
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Brian, this is from GMATPrep. My only problem with the correct answer is that doesn't the antecedent need to be in the sentence for the pronoun? In ans D we have "Mary Leaky's contributions" but not "Mary Leaky" to reference "her work". Please explain; thanks.
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Brian, this is from GMATPrep. My only problem with the correct answer is that doesn't the antecedent need to be in the sentence for the pronoun? In ans D we have "Mary Leaky's contributions" but not "Mary Leaky" to reference "her work". Please explain; thanks.

Dear farhanabad,
I'm happy to respond. :-) My friend, I am going to refer you to my previous post in this thread, from July 5, 2014, in which I addressed this exact question. Read there to find out why this is perfectly fine grammatically.
Let me know if you have any questions.
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The rule is: a noun in the possessive (such as "Leakey's") cannot be an antecedent of a pronoun unless the pronoun is also in the possessive.

Hello Mike, in view of this, can you suggest why the following is correct?

Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

My understanding is that possessive noun "Bona Dea's aid" is an antecedent of object pronoun "her".

May be I am not interpreting your rule accurately:(.
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mohish wrote:
mikemcgarry wrote:
The rule is: a noun in the possessive (such as "Leakey's") cannot be an antecedent of a pronoun unless the pronoun is also in the possessive.

Hello Mike, in view of this, can you suggest why the following is correct?

Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

My understanding is that possessive noun "Bona Dea's aid" is an antecedent of object pronoun "her".

May be I am not interpreting your rule accurately:(.

Dear Mohish,
My friend, I am happy to help. :-) This, of course, is from the OA of OG13 SC#109.

Understand that grammar is not mathematics. The rules are not "absolute right" vs. "absolute wrong." If you think this way about grammar, you will get yourself confused.

The most important thing about a pronoun is that it is unambiguous in its referent. If we cannot discern the antecedent of a pronoun with complete clarity, the pronoun is useless. This is virtually non-negotiable.

The guideline that antecedents should not be in the possessive, unless the pronoun is in the possessive --- this is a stylistic point, not something absolutely necessarily for the sentence to have meaning, but something that tends to indicate elevated style. If the GMAT is testing you on this point, in all likelihood, they will be expecting you to make the "high style" choice. Is this an absolute rule? Technically, no, but this gets into subtleties.

Many folks thing of parallelism as a grammatical structure, but parallelism is primarily a logical structure. The grammar has to align itself with the logic, which is deeper. As a logical structure, parallelism can inform other logical relationships in this sentence. In this sentence, the "her" is unambiguous, because there is only one female entity in the sentence, and the parallelism reinforces this pronoun-antecedent link, making it utterly clear. With such powerful logical links in place, this allows us to relax the stylistic rule a bit. This is what GMAC is doing on its own, and is NOT a matter that it would ask you to apply. Notice that this particular SC question gives the student no choice about the pronoun.

All of this gets into more detail that you need to know. What you need to know is, that when the GMAT is asking you directly and putting the issue on the line for your to choose, stick with the guideline that the antecedent can't be in the possessive unless it's a possessive pronoun. You will be tested on that. You will not be tested on the more sophisticated stuff. Keep in mind that GMAC is aware of all the discussions we have here: they know the rules that students enshrine like mathematical truths, and they write questions such as this one, specifically designed to perplex the students who are too attached to the rules.

You simply cannot achieve SC mastery through memorizing some complete list of rules. You have to read. You have to develop a habit of reading every day, so that you develop an ear for sophisticated language. If you try to reduce grammar to rules, you will miss the forest for the trees.

Does all this make sense?
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Brian, this is from GMATPrep. My only problem with the correct answer is that doesn't the antecedent need to be in the sentence for the pronoun? In ans D we have "Mary Leaky's contributions" but not "Mary Leaky" to reference "her work". Please explain; thanks.

Dear farhanabad,
I'm happy to respond. :-) My friend, I am going to refer you to my previous post in this thread, from July 5, 2014, in which I addressed this exact question. Read there to find out why this is perfectly fine grammatically.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Mike :-)



Mike, my apologies for the late response to this message. Thank y out very much for the clarification.
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I am still confused and not able to get the difference between ....

Question 1 :

In addition to her work on the miocene homicide fosiil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting East African paintings.

Question 2 :
In addition to her work on the Miocene hominid fossil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaeology through her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and through her painstaking documentation of East African cave paintings.

Can someone help me out here ?
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D should be correct.

A possessive pronoun can have a noun in the possessive form as a clear antecedent.
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This Question is primarily testing your knowledge of the opening modifier with possessive reference. If the opening modifier starts with a possessive pronoun such as 'her' then the subject after the comma should also be possessive such as 'leakey's contribution' and not leakey (noun).

That leaves one with option D and E and then it should be a cake walk to go for D, given that option E changes the tense to present continuous and so changes the intended meaning.
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Also her is in possessive case and therefore can refer to the possessive noun Mary Leakey's



I think hers can be used for possessive nouns.
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D,
Also her is in possessive case and therefore can refer to the possessive noun Mary Leakey's



I think hers can be used for possessive nouns.


Hi Radhika11,

If I understood your query correctly, then following is how I would explain:

Yes, hers can be used as possessive pronoun,but the usage is different from that of her.

The following examples show the difference between the usages of her and hers.

RIGHT: Her opinion does not matter.
RIGHT: This opinion is hers. (not repeating her opinion)

When we are concising the structure possessive pronoun her + noun to only possessive pronoun without the noun (in order to avoid repetition), we add s at the end of the pronoun her.

However this addition of s not required for possessive pronouns such as his or its since they already have s at the end.

RIGHT: His opinion does not matter.
RIGHT: This opinion is his. (not repeating his opinion)
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It is said that GMAT Prep has two versions of this question, one different from the other not only in the stimulus but also in the choices and the OAs.

Version 1.
In addition to her work on the Miocene hominid fossil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaeology through her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and through her painstaking documentation of East African cave paintings.

A. Mary Leakey contributed to archaeology through her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and through her painstaking documentation of
B. Mary Leakey contributed to archaeology by her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting
C. Mary Leakey was a contributor to archaeology by discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and with her painstaking documentation of
D. Mary Leakey's contributions to archaeology include her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting
E. Mary Leakey's contributions to archaeology include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of
OA. A

Version 2.
In addition to her work on the Miocene hominid fossil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaeology with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting East African cave paintings.
A. Leakey contributed to archaeology with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting
B. Leakey contributed to archaeology by her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and by painstakingly documenting
C. Leakey was a contributor to archaeology with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and with her painstaking documentation of
D. Leakey’s contributions to archaeology include her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and her painstaking documentation of
E. Leakey’s contributions to archaeology include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of
OA. D.

The first version is said to be somewhat suspect according to RON. The second version is supposed to be authentic. Please look at the following links.
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... t4854.html
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... -t499.html
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In the case of the possessive pronoun, the norm is:

Possessive Noun with Non-Possessive Pronoun Is Not Ok. ----
Tom’s + he, him --- is not ok.
In spite of Tom’s high scores in GMAT, he was not considered by the Ivy League for admission -- wrong
Though Tom’s score was high in the GMAT, Wharton did not consider him for admission. --- wrong.

However, all other combinations are ok.

1. a possessive noun with a possessive pronoun is ok.
Tom’s + his --- is ok
Marlon Brando’s acting skills towered his personality
2. non-possessive noun with non-possessive pronoun .
Tom + he, him ---- is ok
Even though he died at a very young age for a President, Kennedy was one of the most charismatic.
3. a non-possessive noun with possessive pronoun
Tom + his-- is ok
Churchill showed great leadership even as his country was being decimated in the war against Germany

Be careful about ‘her’; her is both possessive and non-possessive.

Theresa told her mother --- ‘her’ is possessive
Theresa told her ----- ‘her’ is non-possessive – it is in object case.
Example:

Agatha Christie's travels with her archaeologist husband inspired her to write several mystery novels; travelers to Egypt can still stay at the Old Cataract Hotel, the model for the hotel in one of Christie's most famous books.

A) Agatha Christie’s (possessive noun) travels with her (possessive) archaeologist husband inspired her (non-possessive object) to write several mystery novels --- Here the first [color=#00ffff]her is a possessive while the second her is a non- possessive (an object pronoun). The first one is acceptable while the second one trying to stand for Agatha Christie’s is not correct. [/color]

E) Agatha Christie's travels with her archaeologist husband served as inspiration for several of her mystery novels – the correct pronoun reference. Both the first her and the second her are possessives and hence can very well refer to another possessive namely Agatha Christie’s.


OA is E.

In the Mary Leaky's case, in the second version, the OA is D; In D, Leaky's contribution is possessive, in addition to her is possessive and her discovery and her painstaking documentation are also possessive. So where is the pronoun mismatch? Even if we take Choice A, Mary Leaky is non - possessive, but it can very well take possessive pronoun 'her', wherever it appears.
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In addition to her work on the miocene homicide fosiil record, Mary Leakey contributed to archaelogy with her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstakingly documenting East African paintings.

Mary leaky contributed to archaelogy

her work on the miocene homicide fosiil record
1> discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity
2> documenting East African paintings

These two are not parallel. so we need three parallel noun clauses.

(D) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovery of the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and her painstaking documentation of

(E) Leakey's contributions to archaelogy include her discovering the earliest direct evidence of hominid activity and painstaking documentation of

her discovering is wrong.
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