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If I add these numbers, it doesn't equal to 51. What's my mistake?

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5-N-N-N : 5C5 = 1 - OK 4-1-N-N : 5C4 *1C1 = 5 - OK 3-2-N-N : 5C3*2C2 = 10 - OK 3-1-1-N : 5C3*2C1*1C1 = 20 - NO - only 10, once you decide to split the remaining two after choosing the 3 before, no factor of 2 needed 2-2-1-N : 5C2*3C2*1C1 = 30 - NO - it is 15 = 30/2; baskets being identical, doesn't matter which group of 2 you choose first 2-1-1-1 : 5C2*3*2*1 = 60 - NO - only 10, because you only choose those 2 to be placed together, all the other three you put in different baskets, no choices

Total of 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51.

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Thanks Eva. A quick question - is there any shortcut method for this question? Appreciate your help. If GMATClub had allowed, I would have given you 100 kudos. Thanks for helping me.

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5-N-N-N : 5C5 = 1 - OK 4-1-N-N : 5C4 *1C1 = 5 - OK 3-2-N-N : 5C3*2C2 = 10 - OK 3-1-1-N : 5C3*2C1*1C1 = 20 - NO - only 10, once you decide to split the remaining two after choosing the 3 before, no factor of 2 needed 2-2-1-N : 5C2*3C2*1C1 = 30 - NO - it is 15 = 30/2; baskets being identical, doesn't matter which group of 2 you choose first 2-1-1-1 : 5C2*3*2*1 = 60 - NO - only 10, because you only choose those 2 to be placed together, all the other three you put in different baskets, no choices

Total of 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51.

Answer B.

Hi, Sorry, i have a hard time with this topic, Do you mean that for 3-1-1-N we don t need 2C1? 2-2-1-N we don t need 3C1? I stll don t understand well the reason...

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EvaJager wrote:

5-N-N-N : 5C5 = 1 - OK 4-1-N-N : 5C4 *1C1 = 5 - OK 3-2-N-N : 5C3*2C2 = 10 - OK 3-1-1-N : 5C3*2C1*1C1 = 20 - NO - only 10, once you decide to split the remaining two after choosing the 3 before, no factor of 2 needed 2-2-1-N : 5C2*3C2*1C1 = 30 - NO - it is 15 = 30/2; baskets being identical, doesn't matter which group of 2 you choose first 2-1-1-1 : 5C2*3*2*1 = 60 - NO - only 10, because you only choose those 2 to be placed together, all the other three you put in different baskets, no choices

Total of 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51.

Answer B.

Hi, Sorry, i have a hard time with this topic, Do you mean that for 3-1-1-N we don t need 2C1? 2-2-1-N we don t need 3C1? I stll don t understand well the reason...

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Evajager's correct.

As further clarification - whenever you have 2 baskets with exactly the same number of candies, swapping those two baskets does NOT count has two counts of distribution. Yet, when you multiply the 5C3 * 2C1 * 1C1 -> that counts the swapping of the two baskets as 2 separate counts.

Therefore, in order to account for the fact that order does not matter (that these situations should not be double counted) - you should divide by the # of baskets that are duplicate. So in this case, you would need to divide by 2!

In the last set up: 2-1-1-1: you should divide by 3! = 6 because you have 3 identical baskets with 1 candy each that are counted as duplicates but really they should all count as 1.

So in total, we have 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51 _________________

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Evajager's correct.

As further clarification - whenever you have 2 baskets with exactly the same number of candies, swapping those two baskets does NOT count has two counts of distribution. Yet, when you multiply the 5C3 * 2C1 * 1C1 -> that counts the swapping of the two baskets as 2 separate counts.

Therefore, in order to account for the fact that order does not matter (that these situations should not be double counted) - you should divide by the # of baskets that are duplicate. So in this case, you would need to divide by 2!

In the last set up: 2-1-1-1: you should divide by 3! = 6 because you have 3 identical baskets with 1 candy each that are counted as duplicates but really they should all count as 1.

So in total, we have 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51

Thank you very much, it is clear now ^_^ (By the way, is it a typo in red for the 2-1-1-1? You wanted to say 3! But though directly of the result being 6.)

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R26 wrote:

gmatpill wrote:

Evajager's correct.

As further clarification - whenever you have 2 baskets with exactly the same number of candies, swapping those two baskets does NOT count has two counts of distribution. Yet, when you multiply the 5C3 * 2C1 * 1C1 -> that counts the swapping of the two baskets as 2 separate counts.

Therefore, in order to account for the fact that order does not matter (that these situations should not be double counted) - you should divide by the # of baskets that are duplicate. So in this case, you would need to divide by 2!

In the last set up: 2-1-1-1: you should divide by 3! = 6 because you have 3 identical baskets with 1 candy each that are counted as duplicates but really they should all count as 1.

So in total, we have 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51

Thank you very much, it is clear now ^_^ (By the way, is it a typo in red for the 2-1-1-1? You wanted to say 3! But though directly of the result being 6.)

Thank you again all of you

R26

Oh yes, I edited to correct the 6! to 3! = 6. _________________

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In how many ways can 5 different candies be distributed in 4 identical baskets? (A) 120 (B) 51 (C) 24 (D) 5^4 (E) 4^5

We just determine the distribution of specific candies to a grouping of 5,4,2,3, or 1 per basket but there is no need to arrange the distribution on to the baskets since the containers are identical.

5-0-0-0: \(\frac{5!}{5!0!} = 1\) 4-1-0-0: \(\frac{5!}{4!1!}*1 = 5\) 3-2-0-0: \(\frac{5!}{3!2!}*\frac{2!}{2!} = 10\) 3-1-1-0: \(\frac{5!}{3!2!}*\frac{2!}{1!} * \frac{1!}{1!} = 20\) Then, we divide by 2! since 1 and 1 even interchanged doesn't matter. \(\frac{20}{2}=10\) 2-1-1-1: \(\frac{5!}{2!3!}*\frac{3!}{1!2!}*\frac{2!}{1!1!}*1=60\) Then, we divide by 3! since 1,1 and 1 even interchanged doesn't matter since the baskets are identical. \(\frac{60}{3!}=10\) 2-2-1-0: \(\frac{5!}{2!3!}*\frac{3!}{2!1!}=30\) Then divide by 2! since 2 and 2 even interchanged doesn't matter. \(\frac{30}{2}=15\)

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GMATPill wrote:

Evajager's correct.

As further clarification - whenever you have 2 baskets with exactly the same number of candies, swapping those two baskets does NOT count has two counts of distribution. Yet, when you multiply the 5C3 * 2C1 * 1C1 -> that counts the swapping of the two baskets as 2 separate counts.

Therefore, in order to account for the fact that order does not matter (that these situations should not be double counted) - you should divide by the # of baskets that are duplicate. So in this case, you would need to divide by 2!

In the last set up: 2-1-1-1: you should divide by 3! = 6 because you have 3 identical baskets with 1 candy each that are counted as duplicates but really they should all count as 1.

So in total, we have 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51

I dont quite understand why we are multiplying combinatorics (ie 5C3*2C2, etc.)? Is there some general rule or application on when I should do this?

Also in the last sequence 2-1-1-1, you do 5C2 and then 3! which I'm assuming is just 3C1. Why isn't it 5C2*3C1*2C1*1C1? (Appreciate that answering the above may explain this).

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Sneakysam wrote:

GMATPill wrote:

Evajager's correct.

As further clarification - whenever you have 2 baskets with exactly the same number of candies, swapping those two baskets does NOT count has two counts of distribution. Yet, when you multiply the 5C3 * 2C1 * 1C1 -> that counts the swapping of the two baskets as 2 separate counts.

Therefore, in order to account for the fact that order does not matter (that these situations should not be double counted) - you should divide by the # of baskets that are duplicate. So in this case, you would need to divide by 2!

In the last set up: 2-1-1-1: you should divide by 3! = 6 because you have 3 identical baskets with 1 candy each that are counted as duplicates but really they should all count as 1.

So in total, we have 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51

I dont quite understand why we are multiplying combinatorics (ie 5C3*2C2, etc.)? Is there some general rule or application on when I should do this?

Also in the last sequence 2-1-1-1, you do 5C2 and then 3! which I'm assuming is just 3C1. Why isn't it 5C2*3C1*2C1*1C1? (Appreciate that answering the above may explain this).

Thanks in advance

When two selection are made for the same case, we multiply (the AND rule) Say, in how many ways can you select a meal which includes a burger and a beverage. There are 2 different kinds of burgers and 3 different kinds of beverages. You can do it in 2C1 * 3C1 ways. You have to select a burger AND a beverage so you multiply their respective selections and get the answer as 6.

On the other hand, in how many ways can you select a meal of either a burger or a pizza but not both? There are 2 different kinds of burgers and 3 different kinds of pizzas. You can do this in 2C1 + 3C1 = 5 ways. You add here because you have to select burger OR pizza. When you have OR, you add.

Here you have to select 3 candies for one basket AND 2 candies for another basket so you do 5C3 * 2C2

Yes, 3*2*1 at the end is 3C1*2C1*1C1. _________________

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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

Sneakysam wrote:

GMATPill wrote:

Evajager's correct.

As further clarification - whenever you have 2 baskets with exactly the same number of candies, swapping those two baskets does NOT count has two counts of distribution. Yet, when you multiply the 5C3 * 2C1 * 1C1 -> that counts the swapping of the two baskets as 2 separate counts.

Therefore, in order to account for the fact that order does not matter (that these situations should not be double counted) - you should divide by the # of baskets that are duplicate. So in this case, you would need to divide by 2!

In the last set up: 2-1-1-1: you should divide by 3! = 6 because you have 3 identical baskets with 1 candy each that are counted as duplicates but really they should all count as 1.

So in total, we have 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 = 51

I dont quite understand why we are multiplying combinatorics (ie 5C3*2C2, etc.)? Is there some general rule or application on when I should do this?

Also in the last sequence 2-1-1-1, you do 5C2 and then 3! which I'm assuming is just 3C1. Why isn't it 5C2*3C1*2C1*1C1? (Appreciate that answering the above may explain this).

Thanks in advance

When two selection are made for the same case, we multiply (the AND rule) Say, in how many ways can you select a meal which includes a burger and a beverage. There are 2 different kinds of burgers and 3 different kinds of beverages. You can do it in 2C1 * 3C1 ways. You have to select a burger AND a beverage so you multiply their respective selections and get the answer as 6.

On the other hand, in how many ways can you select a meal of either a burger or a pizza but not both? There are 2 different kinds of burgers and 3 different kinds of pizzas. You can do this in 2C1 + 3C1 = 5 ways. You add here because you have to select burger OR pizza. When you have OR, you add.

Here you have to select 3 candies for one basket AND 2 candies for another basket so you do 5C3 * 2C2

Yes, 3*2*1 at the end is 3C1*2C1*1C1.

i am not sure why the below approach is not working for this one .. let say there are 4 Kids , and we want to distribute 5candies among them . CCCCC||| is one possible arrangement , here the first kid got all the 5 candies. so why cant we use \(^8C_3\) to get 56 as answer. _________________

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