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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
javropu wrote:
id do the following:
12*11*10/(3!)=220



Yeah..My answer cant be right.
But ...did you use 12C3 ??
Isnt 12C3 the total # of ways to draw 3 from 1-12 numbers without any restrictions?

Please explain

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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
right javs...
12C3 is the number of ways to select three numbers, and there is only one
way to arrange these numbers such that x1<x2<x3 :!:
i hope u got it praet...
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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
Vicky wrote:
right javs...
12C3 is the number of ways to select three numbers, and there is only one
way to arrange these numbers such that x1<x2<x3 :!:
i hope u got it praet...
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Clever way of phrasing the problem..same as the # of ways to pick 3 #'s from 1-12..

Thanks!
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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
if order does matter than why are we using a combination formula?


shouldn't we use the permutation formula?
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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
lakrana wrote:
if order does matter than why are we using a combination formula?


shouldn't we use the permutation formula?


If order matters ,we use permutations..
Permutations say the every position is unique..so 123 is different from 321...

But in our case...we dont need the positions to be unique..

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In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & x3 from 1 to 12 such that x1<x2<x3

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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
can u give some answer choices...I think I am getting couple of different numbers here..
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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
no answer choice in the original post, this one is just a very simple answer to a trickily worded question 8-) You'll be blown away to know the answer... I already said too much.
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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
Venksune, pick any 3 numbers 12C3 = 220 and there will ONLY ONE way of arranging them in increasing order :)
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I just about wanting to correct to that...when I typeed my earlier message. Yes..I got that because the numbers are unique. right.
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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
There are a total of 12C3=220 possibilities.

3 integers can be arranged in 3P3 possible ways i.e.3!/0!=6 ways of which only 1 possibility gives x1<x2<x3.

Hence the answer should be total no. of possibilities - total no. of unfavourable possibilities.

i.e. 220 - 5= 215.

Paul is my reasoning correct !!!
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Re: In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & [#permalink]
Paul wrote:
In how many ways can you select three integers x1, x2 & x3 from 1 to 12 such that x1<x2<x3


This perhaps might be a cumbersome way:

Let's keep 'a' fixed and move 'b'

a = 1, b = 2, then there are 12 - 2 = 10 possibilities for c such that a < b < c

a = 1, b = 3, then there are 12 - 3 = 9 possibilities for c such that a < b < c

a = 1, b = 4, then there are 12 - 4 = 8 possibilities for c

10 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 5*11 = 55


Now when you move a to a = 2, and start b = 3 and move b up, the possibilities for c are


9 + 8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 55 - 10 = 45 (notice both series are the same except the first term, 10 is taken out)


Now when a = 3 b = 4, and you move b up then the total possibilities for c are 45 - 9 = 36, etc

55 + 45 + 36 + 28 + 21 + 15 + 10 + 6 + 3 + 2 = 5*57 = 285



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