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In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

Please provide some details for the usage of has had ,have had and similar form
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2009, 09:50
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In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

Please provide some details for the usage of has had ,have had and similar form


My answer is A.

1) Have had or Has had is present perfect, with had as the past participle. Present perfect indicates that action started in the past and continues in the future or the effect of the action continues in the future. Also, Has had is used for the third person singular (he/she/it) while Have had is used for all other persons (I/you/we/they).

The Have had usuage is correct because the sentence tells us that the visions continued since the 1981. Eliminate B and D.

2) Who is used when one is referring to the subject of a clause and whom is used when one is referring to the object of a clause. Virgin Mary is the subject in the second clause and the six teenagers are the object. Therefore, we should use who and not whom. Eliminate C and E.

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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2009, 10:50
Please post the OA for this ....
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2009, 11:54
C

Have had is past perfect. Two events are in the past: (a) they claimed, (b) had visions. Have had means they had the visions before they claimed.

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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2009, 17:01
A, in 19xx, so it happened in the past ,we need to use have had visions in the past, because second part of the sentence says it continued to do appear to them...

who is replacing ? has continued to do so...can we say her has continued to do so? i think it should be she has continued to do so...so replace she with who is correct usage?
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2009, 01:08
Please provide some more examples to clarify ,has had ,have had ,had had . i think had has and had have are not proper english usage .
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2009, 04:29
'A'

How can I access the 1000 SC challenges. Does this series have the explanations of the answers as well?

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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2009, 13:50
I will go for "D".

The logic of completion of one action before other and the related usage of "had", does not apply here, as if it were the case then we should have used "had" before the word "claimed" (the main verb).

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2009, 14:58
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2009, 06:23
OA is A but still usage is not clear yet
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2009, 09:47
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hi.
quite challenging )))

Please consider my version

In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

1st of all we can eliminate all answers with whom. (can comment, if needed)
2nd between A and D
If you'd like to use visions as vivid mental image, the right construction of usage will be Have visions.
For ex. He had visions of becoming the Elton John of his time. (past simple)
"claimed to have visions" means that teenagers "claimed" and at the same time "have visions" of Mary, but author want to show that teenagers "had vision" before they "claimed". That is the reason of "Have had vision" A.

e also have other awkward usage of perfect t. "had claimed in June 1981".

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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2009, 10:54
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quite challenging )))

Please consider my version

In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

1st of all we can eliminate all answers with whom. (can comment, if needed)
2nd between A and D
If you'd like to use visions as vivid mental image, the right construction of usage will be Have visions.
For ex. He had visions of becoming the Elton John of his time. (past simple)
"claimed to have visions" means that teenagers "claimed" and at the same time "have visions" of Mary, but author want to show that teenagers "had vision" before they "claimed". That is the reason of "Have had vision" A.

e also have other awkward usage of perfect t. "had claimed in June 1981".

hope it will be useful.


Could you please comment why it is who and not whom
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2009, 23:06
sacmanitin wrote:
In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

Please provide some details for the usage of has had ,have had and similar form


Answer A

"who" is required i/o "whom".
who has continued to appear.......

We are talking about June, 1981. So, we need past perfect "have had" i/o present "have".
claimed to have had visions of the.........
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 31 Dec 2010, 09:01
wats wrong with whom?. I think its alright to use it in this context
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Re: 1000SC challange [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2011, 10:36
Can someone explain why "WHO" is preferable?
In my opinion, although WHO is correct; however, I am bit confused with the usage as Virgin Mary is the object of the first clause, it should take WHOM..
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Re: In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2012, 17:06
i am going with the option A. whom is not required here because who modifies mary which is the subject of the verb has continued. BUT i have doubt about sequence of tense here. the usage of present tense is legit here while the starting of the sentence is past. please help
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Re: In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, [#permalink] New post 12 Jun 2012, 01:19
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1. To have had visions is called a perfect infinitive. The use of a perfect infinitive ensures that the visions wee of a past time prior to 1981

The use of a simple infinitive to have in D implies that the visioning may belong to the moment of claiming, as along with to have the visions in the future too, thus diverging from the intended meaning of the original. Per se, D does not assert that the visioning was an act of pre–1981. This is the reason for us to choose A over D

2. Of course there is no issue in deciding between who and whom, and who is the befitting one since who is used a pro-noun subject of the sub - clause.
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