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In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

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In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'Surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I used in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?

In D, usage of 'you' is incorrect and rest is fine. Can this question can be considered GMAT based question?

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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2009, 10:39
My pick is A.

I can eliminate B and C right away for wordy and awkward construction.

here in A, 'it' refers to surface so A is concise and expresses the required meaning.

D and E are wordy and awkward ..
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2009, 20:10
Someone care to explain please:

In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I use in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2009, 08:39
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Someone care to explain please:

In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I use in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?


Sudeep, I see your point. I think 'it' in 'it is necessary..' is a dummy subject to milead. but rest of the 4 choices are really bad .. so A looked fine to me.

But ofcourse, a detailed explanation from any guru will be appreciated.
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2009, 10:19
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Well, I just went through this issue and while reading the MGMAT SC I saw a seperate topic on this problem. For your reference, it is shown below:

Sometimes we need to move an awkward subject or object to the back of the sentence. In these cases, we put an "it" in the sentence where the subject or object used to be. We call this use of it "Placeholder It". Do not look for a noun antecedent for a "Placeholder It".

Just look an example:

To Resist temptation is futile. (Awkward)
The subject of the sentence is the infinitve phrase to resist temptation. Although this sentence is grammatically correct, the GMAT rejects similar sentences on stylistic grounds.

IT is futile to resist temptation. (Correct)

"It" is now the grammatical subject. As a pronoun, it refers to the infinitive phrase. Under other circumstances, "it" can not normally refer to an infinitive.

Consider one more example:

It would hardly be fair for the meatpacking industry to blame regulators for the harm that it has inflicted upon itself in the sub-prime meat sector.

Above sentence is correct.

Reason: The antecedent of the first "it" (which is a Placeholder It) is the long infinitive phrase "to blame.....mortgage sector". The antecedent of the second "it" and of "itself" is industry.


Now if you apply this rule to the option A, I think it will be clear to you. :)

Note: All the wording used above is from MGMAT SC guide with all rights reserved :)
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2009, 10:53
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint

(B) it and prime it and paint it ( The original sentence only discusses what is necessary to evenly and effectievely paint a rough surface – no mention of if it is to be painted or not - this option changes the meaning)

(C) it, then prime it, then paint it ( The original sentence only discusses what is necessary to evenly and effectievely paint a rough surface – no mention of if it is to be painted or not - this option changes the meaning)

(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface ( you – original sentence is indirect and the changed sentence is direct)

(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it (Wordy tries avoiding the pronoun completely )
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2009, 17:26
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In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it


Form the above discussions we know that the irst "It" is a placeholder.
However is'nt the second "it" ambiguous?What is it referring to??The paint or the surface??Please clarify.
B,C>>eliminated
D>>"You">>Eliminate.
Left with A and E.IOs'nt E more clearer as its specifying "The surface" and leaves no room for ambiguity??
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2009, 21:48
will you please underline the portion to be modified?
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2009, 04:45
From the choices not only a makes sense.
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2009, 04:55
I must say, I think A is the closest answer by process of elimination
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2009, 23:21
A is unanimous

IT & IT discussion is nice; made me refere MGMAT SC\Pronouns chapter... they caution you with IT, ITS, They, There, Them to evaluate ambiguity and concision...!

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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2009, 23:46
ugimba wrote:
My pick is A.

I can eliminate B and C right away for wordy and awkward construction.

here in A, 'it' refers to surface so A is concise and expresses the required meaning.

D and E are wordy and awkward ..


IMO A and I completely agree with the explanation above
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 07 May 2010, 04:57
The sentence begins with “in order to evenly and effectively paint the rough surface”. So, any option that uses “to paint it” at the end is not correct because of redundancy.
This eliminates B, C, and E. In option E, the use of “surface” is redundant”. In option A, the best answer, it clearly refers to “surface”.
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 18 May 2010, 06:17
i screen out the answer by //ism
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 08 Mar 2011, 02:40
Extremely confusing in my opinion, I chose C because of parallelism. The explanations don't make sense either unfortunately...I'm in trouble!
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2011, 11:07
sudeep wrote:
In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

This is a part of Brutal SC.
I am having hard time with OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Explain please :
[Reveal] Spoiler:
In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'Surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I used in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?

In D, usage of 'you' is incorrect and rest is fine. Can this question can be considered GMAT based question?


IMO it should be A , i had tough time deciding between A and E , but went with A , since in E it goes from in original sentece a surface to the surface.
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2011, 03:42
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Before we go into more advanced grammar, let us look at some basic grammar

(A) It and apply primer before applying the paint – seems ok because the place holder value of some pronouns is an accepted practice in formal English
(B) it and prime it and paint it – how many ands – basically wrong
C) it, then prime it, then paint it; and no and at all here; basically wrong
(D) the surface and apply primer before you apply paint to the surface ; how many surfaces in a single sentence– unacceptable

(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it; totally three surfaces and the two in the given choices are too many as many

Now can u see why A is the best. Incidentally, structural parallelism without proper conjugation is ungrammatical as in B and C

may not be a good GMT worthy question , but definitely a good practice sample to start with , because of dealing with pronoun, punctuation and conjugation
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 03 Aug 2011, 09:10
Hussain15 wrote:
Well, I just went through this issue and while reading the MGMAT SC I saw a seperate topic on this problem. For your reference, it is shown below:

Sometimes we need to move an awkward subject or object to the back of the sentence. In these cases, we put an "it" in the sentence where the subject or object used to be. We call this use of it "Placeholder It". Do not look for a noun antecedent for a "Placeholder It".

Just look an example:

To Resist temptation is futile. (Awkward)
The subject of the sentence is the infinitve phrase to resist temptation. Although this sentence is grammatically correct, the GMAT rejects similar sentences on stylistic grounds.

IT is futile to resist temptation. (Correct)

"It" is now the grammatical subject. As a pronoun, it refers to the infinitive phrase. Under other circumstances, "it" can not normally refer to an infinitive.

Consider one more example:

It would hardly be fair for the meatpacking industry to blame regulators for the harm that it has inflicted upon itself in the sub-prime meat sector.

Above sentence is correct.

Reason: The antecedent of the first "it" (which is a Placeholder It) is the long infinitive phrase "to blame.....mortgage sector". The antecedent of the second "it" and of "itself" is industry.


Now if you apply this rule to the option A, I think it will be clear to you. :)

Note: All the wording used above is from MGMAT SC guide with all rights reserved :)


Good to point out the explaination from MGMAT SC
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Re: Paint Rough Surface [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2011, 04:56
ugimba wrote:
sudeep wrote:
Someone care to explain please:

In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I use in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?


Sudeep, I see your point. I think 'it' in 'it is necessary..' is a dummy subject to milead. but rest of the 4 choices are really bad .. so A looked fine to me.

But ofcourse, a detailed explanation from any guru will be appreciated.



Real nightmare... this question!

At least, by POE, I could come up with A.
E was second close to me.
Ideally, the option would be - the surface, apply primer and then paint it. Unfortunately, none of the options :( !

Also, I don't think this is a rule - Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?
I don't agree with this.....!
Can experts shed inks?
Thanks!
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Re: In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2012, 07:03
IMO A.

In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

Two functions of It are tested here: the Placeholder it and the pronoun it.
The IT in it is necessary is a Placeholder It. Eg. It is good to have friends.
The second it in the sentence is the pronoun. this it comes along with all its typical baggage: you need to find an antecedent noun that agrees in number and makes sense together, etc.
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