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In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

A his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
B Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave
C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave
D Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
E his friend told him to leave probably

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 [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2007, 20:59
D

The first clause implies that cameron's friend is replying.

His does not have a proper antecedent, so those are out.

Leaving only D.
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 [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2007, 21:15
C because other choices confuse whether who should leave??
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 [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2007, 22:53
In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

The trick is twofold; first, realizing that the first clause insinuates that Cameron's friend is going to reply, and second, realizing that Cameron isn't actually introduced in the first clause-- it's Cameron's irrational criticisms. With these two facts you can trivially reduce the answer to D.


A his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave

His friend; who's friend? There is no mention of Cameron.

B Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave

Cameron isn't replying to himself.

C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave

Again, no antecedent.

D Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave

Correct.

E his friend told him to leave probably

No antecedent.
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 [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2007, 23:19
I say C.

In the other choices, "he" in "he should probably leave" could refer to Cameron's friend or Cameron. It's not clear.
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2007, 12:57
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In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

The trick is twofold; first, realizing that the first clause insinuates that Cameron's friend is going to reply, and second, realizing that Cameron isn't actually introduced in the first clause-- it's Cameron's irrational criticisms. With these two facts you can trivially reduce the answer to D.


A his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave

His friend; who's friend? There is no mention of Cameron.

B Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave

Cameron isn't replying to himself.

C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave

Again, no antecedent.

D Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave

Correct.

E his friend told him to leave probably

No antecedent.


'his' is referring back to Cameron's...possessive pronouns can refer back to possessive nouns.

in A 'he' seems ambiguous...C should be the answer.
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Possessive Pronouns can refer back to possessive nouns [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2007, 13:37
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You are totally correct. Please check the Manhattan SC page 55.
I will go with answer C. What is the OA.
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Re: SC - Cameron Friends [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2007, 13:56
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In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

A his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
B Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave
C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave
D Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
E his friend told him to leave probably

Guess easy for SC gurus...need one proper explanation


its all between C and D.


what his refers in C? do no........

so D.
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2007, 15:02
i vote for C -- clarifies who is saying what to whom and who should leave.
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 00:24
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I pick choice D.

what is OA?


This is discouraging - OP should post the OA when everybody wants to see one.
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 01:27
Again, A, B, C, and E are wrong, and wrong for one very simple reason-- Cameron is never introduced in the first clause; Cameron's irrational criticisms are introduced, NOT Cameron.
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Re: SC - Cameron Friends [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 08:55
ashkrs wrote:
In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

A his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
B Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave
C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave
D Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
E his friend told him to leave probably

Guess easy for SC gurus...need one proper explanation


answer C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave. It is not clear from the other choices who should probably leave.

OP, can we please have the OA? :thanks
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Re: SC - Cameron Friends [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 10:05
ashkrs wrote:
In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

A his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
B Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave
C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave
D Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
E his friend told him to leave probably

Guess easy for SC gurus...need one proper explanation


I have got another twister - I think it's B and here's why -

In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms

For a moment, let's ignore the part in blue because it is prepositional and hence parenthetical (not crucial to the meaning of the sentence).

B is a complete sentence that makes sense - Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave.

I was hesitant in choosing B because it was passive. But the other choices seem grammatically incorrect to me and therefore passivity can be ignored.
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Re: SC - Cameron Friends [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 10:10
Sorry guys for being late on this one.
OA is C .

This is OE:
Two pronouns are underlined: "his" and "he." "His" is fine because at this point in the sentence it can only refer to Cameron. However "he" is not correct because it could refer to either Cameron or his friend. You can therefore eliminate Choices (A), (B), and (D).

Choices (C) and (E) vary in a few respects, but focusing on one difference, is it more correct to say "he should probably leave" or "he should leave probably"? The first option is better, so eliminate (E).
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Re: SC - Cameron Friends [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 12:06
A. 'his' does not have a antecedant as we have Cameron's criticisms not Cameron in the non underlined part.
B. 'he' is confusing again pronoun issues.
C. Same problem as A.
D. Use of 'that' helps 'he' clearly refer to Cameron. Now we know Cameron's friend wanted Cameron to leave!
E. Same issues as in A.

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 [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 12:12
Is this an OG question or one of those shoddy third party "questionable" questions?
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 13:11
I'm guessing it's not OG; OG would explain why all the other choices. But then again OG wouldn't ask a question like this when there are ambiguous choices.

I still think D is the only correct as 'his' has no antecedent.
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 13:28
Cameron was told by his friend that (he should probably leave)

(he should probably leave) is a dependent/subordinated clause. no referent.
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 13:53
that begins a restrictive clause in D, and the main subject is Cameron's friend; hence he refers to Cameron's friend.

Take for example:

In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

that restricts he to the main subject, Cameron's friend. Cameron's friend told Cameron that Cameron's friend should probably leave.

Take out the 'that', and we have:

In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, Cameron's friend told Cameron he should probably leave.

In this case, it's not totally clear, however in this case it would most likely refer to Cameron.

Again, D imo is the correct answer, and not C.

In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave

C is wrong because his has no antecedent, OG tests this multiple times, and I recall specifically seeing questions such as this where they introduce something along the line of irrational criticisms, ie Sue's nagging, but Sue herself isn't introduced.

ie. Due to Sue's nagging, her friend ate a gallon of ice cream.

Who is her? Does her refer to Sue (who isn't actually introduced in the verbal), or to some other outsider (say Sue, and we're talking about Sue's friend?).

This however, is correct:

Due to Sue and her consistent and relentless nagging, her friend drowned her sorrows in a gallon of Haagen-Daaz ice cream.

Sue is clearly introduced, and the objective pronoun following the verbal has a clear antecedent (Sue).

Again, C is wrong.

What's the source for this Q?
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Re: SC - Cameron Friends [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2007, 15:17
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In reply to Cameron's irrational criticisms, his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave.

A his friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
B Cameron was told by his friend that he should probably leave
C his friend told Cameron that Cameron should probably leave
D Cameron's friend told Cameron that he should probably leave
E his friend told him to leave probably

Guess easy for SC gurus...need one proper explanation


OK Now I see it why C can be prefered over D.

'his' is a possessive pronoun so it can refer back to possessive noun but 'he' is a subject one so it can't. I actually dont see anythng wrong with D as the use of 'that' clearly makes 'he' refer to Cameron but C would be more clear as it has no 'he'.
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