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In the 1980's the rate of increase of the minority population of the United States was nearly twice as fast as the 1970's.

(A) twice as fast as
(B) twice as fast as it was in
(C) twice what it was in
(D) two times faster than that of
(E) two times greater than
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2005, 14:02
I pick C.

"Twice" is the accepted way to say " two times", so D and E are out.
The rate in A and B cannot be fast - only moving things like "growth", "increase" can be fast. We also have lots of unnecessary words in B.
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2005, 14:48
does C has 'of' after twice??

twice of what it was in;
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2005, 14:59
gotoknow3 wrote:
does C has 'of' after twice??

twice of what it was in;


What do you mean gotoknow3?

C says "the rate of growth in .... was twice what it was in..."
I feel that "twice" is pretty good on its own and we don't need "of" after it.

Someone from the Fancy Grammatical Explanation Squad has to step in. You know who you are...
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2005, 17:17
I think here C applies...

in normal lingo we would use twice as fast, when talking about rate, i.e speed of a car etc, however since the subject is minority population, I think the rate of growth was twice as it was in...is better....

in other words "increase" already takes place of "fast"
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 12:05
Ok Guys. I will post the OA and OE this evening...

Please do not just say D or E.

We need explainations, so that others canread your them and learn from them.

Please, try to post your comments. Even if you can not explain it, try to write why and how did you pick your answer choice.

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 [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 19:19
It should be 'C'.

A - Compares increase in rate with 1970.
B - Awkaward, 'as fast as', also lengthy.
D - that of?
E - Same problem as 'A'

C - 'twice what it was in' is precise, in telling that rate was 'two times' the rate in 1970.
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 20:02
Okay, I think we all agree that the problem with this sentence is that it illogically compares the rate of increase of the minority population with the decade of the 1970's. So, we have to construct the sentence IOT compare the rate of increase in the 1980's with the rate of increase in the 1970's.

A and E are out automatically.

So is D with the whole "two times" things. Obviously not correct style.

So, B or C?

Tell you the truth, I'm really kinda stuck here.

They both seem to compare the rates to each other. I think the question is whether or not you can use "what" in the sentence.

For some reason, B seems to sound right. The "as fast as" part just sounds right. I don't know the rules governing the use of "what" in this sentence.

Can anyone explain? What is the OA and OE?
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Re: SC: minority population [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 20:35
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Agree with C.


Clearly choices are B and C because we need ''in the 1970's" to make the sentence parallel as we have "in the 1980's" at the begaining. the only debatye is why C is better over B and vice versa.

B is clearly wrong the rate of increase itself cannot be fast or faster. the current rate can only be twice of the previous rate. so if we go with this logic, only C remains and wins tooooooooooooooo.
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Re: SC: minority population [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 20:43
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Agree with C.


Clearly choices are B and C because we need ''in the 1970's" to make the sentence parallel as we have "in the 1980's" at the begaining. the only debatye is why C is better over B and vice versa.

B is clearly wrong the rate of increase itself cannot be fast or faster. the current rate can only be twice of the previous rate. so if we go with this logic, only C remains and wins tooooooooooooooo.


But why can't we use "what" here? That's what's getting me.
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Re: SC: minority population [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 20:56
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But why can't we use "what" here? That's what's getting me.


we can use what there and i have not objected the use of what as well.
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Re: SC: minority population [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 21:04
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popew626 wrote:
But why can't we use "what" here? That's what's getting me.


we can use what there and i have not objected the use of what as well.


Sorry, I meant can. Fingers moving one direction...brain the other.

I think that you can use the as fast as to describe a rate of increase.

Country A's rate of increase of X was twice as fast as country B's.

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Re: SC: minority population [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2005, 21:11
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popew626 wrote:
But why can't we use "what" here? That's what's getting me.

we can use what there and i have not objected the use of what as well.
Sorry, I meant can. Fingers moving one direction...brain the other. I think that you can use the as fast as to describe a rate of increase. Country A's rate of increase of X was twice as fast as country B's. :wall


".... what it was in the 1970's" is exactly what is "the rate of increase in the 1970's". :wink:
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2005, 04:21
Ok guys.

I put this question because this is one of the questions that have a couple of things, which you will find interesting..

the OA is C.

The choices come down to C and B.

Whenever there is a rate of ...., you can not use ---as fast as....

You have to use the adjective to show the increase.

What clearly refers to the rate of increase.

If the sentence were to change to RATE FOR, meaning rates charged, then B would correct.

Hence C is correct
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