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In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

(1) AD = 2.5
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2011, 01:41
Stmt1: AD=2.5
In triangle ABD, tan <bad = 5/2.5=2
Hence we know the value of <bad
Also, AB^2=AD^2+BD^2
=2.5^2+5^2= 31.25
AB =\sqrt{31.25}
In triangle ABC, <ABC is right angle.
We know one side (AB) and one angel (<bad) in triangle ABC. Sufficient to find AC.

Stmt2: By similar reason, in triangle BDC we can find out <bcd
Also, BC^2=5^2+10^=125
BC = \sqrt{125}
In triangle ABC we know one side (BC) and one angel (<bcd). Sufficient to find AC.

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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 03 Nov 2011, 09:45
D. It can be visualized if you split the triangle into 2; then notice you have a proportion with 3 numbers missing 1.
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2012, 15:37
I'm not able to understand the ans to this q.. could someone elaborate please?
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In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

You should know the following properties to solve this question:
A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that AC is a diameter then angle ABC is a right angle.

Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4. We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of ABC=1/2*AC*BD=1/2*AB*BC (for more check: triangles-106177.html, geometry-problem-106009.html, mgmat-ds-help-94037.html, help-108776.html)

(1) AD = 2.5. Sufficient.
(2) DC = 10. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

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Re: In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is [#permalink] New post 22 May 2013, 02:40
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 24 May 2014, 13:16
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Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4.We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.


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Hi Bunuel,

I have a theoretical question based on the highlighted statement above:

It seems as though there is always overlap of sides(since we have similar triangles) so your highlighted statement looks to be true. For the sake of saving time -- i was trying to get a deeper understanding of this method -- Can there ever be a case when they give us the length of two sides, but since they are ONLY of one triangle, we can't make the leap onto others(minus the obvious correlations between the ratio) Meaning, In this same problem, if Statement 1 and 2 were given but if we weren't given a value of BD, then we wouldn't have been able to solve it. Correct?

Is it safe to say that two sides will ALWAYS create sufficiency, even if the two sides are on the same triangle?
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 24 May 2014, 13:29
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Bunuel wrote:

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4.We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.


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Hi Bunuel,

I have a theoretical question based on the highlighted statement above:

It seems as though there is always overlap of sides(since we have similar triangles) so your highlighted statement looks to be true. For the sake of saving time -- i was trying to get a deeper understanding of this method -- Can there ever be a case when they give us the length of two sides, but since they are ONLY of one triangle, we can't make the leap onto others(minus the obvious correlations between the ratio) Meaning, In this same problem, if Statement 1 and 2 were given but if we weren't given a value of BD, then we wouldn't have been able to solve it. Correct?

Is it safe to say that two sides will ALWAYS create sufficiency, even if the two sides are on the same triangle?


If we were not give the length of BD, then the answer would be C: 2.5/BD = BD/10 --> BD = 5 --> we can find AC.
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2014, 19:09
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I'm not able to understand the ans to this q.. could someone elaborate please?
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In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

You should know the following properties to solve this question:
A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that AC is a diameter then angle ABC is a right angle.

Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4. We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of ABC=1/2*AC*BD=1/2*AB*BC (for more check: triangles-106177.html, geometry-problem-106009.html, mgmat-ds-help-94037.html, help-108776.html)

(1) AD = 2.5. Sufficient.
(2) DC = 10. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.


Hi Bunuel, AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC means that AB and AC are corresponding , and also AD and AB are corresponding and BD and BC are coresponding angles. Please tell which angles are they opposite to, because AB is opposite to angle BCA, and AC is opposite to angle ABC. How are these two angles corresponding. Same doubt for other corresponding angles also. Please clarify.
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In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

You should know the following properties to solve this question:
A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that AC is a diameter then angle ABC is a right angle.

Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4. We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of ABC=1/2*AC*BD=1/2*AB*BC (for more check: triangles-106177.html, geometry-problem-106009.html, mgmat-ds-help-94037.html, help-108776.html)

(1) AD = 2.5. Sufficient.
(2) DC = 10. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunuel, AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC means that AB and AC are corresponding , and also AD and AB are corresponding and BD and BC are coresponding angles. Please tell which angles are they opposite to, because AB is opposite to angle BCA, and AC is opposite to angle ABC. How are these two angles corresponding. Same doubt for other corresponding angles also. Please clarify.


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In similar triangles corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles.

In triangle ABC: AB is opposite blue angle, AC is opposite right angle.
In triangle ADB: AD is opposite blue angle, AB is opposite right angle.
In triangle BDC: BD is opposite blue angle, BC is opposite right angle.

Since the above three triangles are similar then the ratio of these sides must be the same.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2014, 06:06
Thanks a lot bunuel , its clear now.
Can the ratios be taken using red angles also. In that case we get BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC.
If yes, then depending upon the unknown, we can consider appropriate corresponding angles.
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2014, 07:40
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Thanks a lot bunuel , its clear now.
Can the ratios be taken using red angles also. In that case we get BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC.
If yes, then depending upon the unknown, we can consider appropriate corresponding angles.


BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC is correct. And yes, you can equate ratios of any pair of corresponding angles.
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Re: Length of AC [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2014, 08:57
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thoufique wrote:
Thanks a lot bunuel , its clear now.
Can the ratios be taken using red angles also. In that case we get BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC.
If yes, then depending upon the unknown, we can consider appropriate corresponding angles.


BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC is correct. And yes, you can equate ratios of any pair of corresponding angles.



Thanks a ton bunuel, was struggling with this for a long time.
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