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Re: SC - Forage Crops [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2009, 02:31
very gud question +1 frm me
Earlier i also chose B thinking leaf and stem material as plural.
But after going t hru the link ,which Nitya posted, Leaf and stem is the adjective for material (singular). Hence it should be D
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In the most common procedure for harvesting forage crops such as alfalfa, as much as 20 percent of the leaf and small-stem material, which is the most nutritious of all the parts of the plant, shattered and fell to the ground.

(A) which is the most nutritious of all the parts of the plant, shattered and fell
(B) the most nutritious of all parts of the plant, shatter and fall
(C) the parts of the plant which were most nutritious, will shatter and fall
(D) the most nutritious parts of the plant, shatters and falls
(E) parts of the plant which are the most nutritious, have shattered and fallen



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What is the Subject?? Singular or Plural?
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 29 May 2010, 08:42
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In the most common procedure for harvesting forage crops such as alfalfa, as much as 20 percent of the leaf and small-stem material, which is the most nutritious of all the parts of the plant, shattered and fell to the ground.
(A) which is the most nutritious of all the parts of the plant, shattered and fell
(B) the most nutritious of all parts of the plant, shatter and fall
(C) the parts of the plant which were most nutritious, will shatter and fall
(D) the most nutritious parts of the plant, shatters and falls
(E) parts of the plant which are the most nutritious, have shattered and fallen

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Subject : 20 percent of the leaf and small-stem material

The sentence talks about
We need a appositive here the most common procedure for harvesting forage crops. So it should be in present tense.
Subject is singular --- 20% of something.

so D is the only option here.

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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 29 May 2010, 13:59
i'll go with D
OA please?

between B/D --- D is singular

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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 03:33
OA please.
This choice is difficult to make.

IMO B
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2010, 17:51
I vote for (D).

20% is singular and so we need singular verb - shatters and falls.

"the most nutritious parts of the plant" modifies/describes "the leaf and small-stem material"
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2010, 11:20
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Found it somewhere.......The following answers all my questions and doubts.

as much as 20% of the leaf and small-stem material..

Keep the following in mind

much is always used for non-countable nouns(ie. singular nouns)
many for plural/countable ones

So we need a singular verb here..which is supplied by D. shatters and falls
Hence the answer

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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 01:55
According to my source OA is D. I dont understand how this can be singular. For me is clearly plural...

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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 02:12
D for me as well.. ashkg, can u please post the OA ..
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 05:03
confused between B and D.. but I guess B is a bit wordy too..

(B) the most nutritious of all parts of the plant, shatter and fall
(D) the most nutritious parts of the plant,shatters and falls

B says.. the most nutritious of all the parts of the plant.. this can be said "the most nutritious parts of the plant" in a concise way... Hence D

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Re: harvesting forage - SC! [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 15:41
"20 percent" is singular........needs "shatters" and "falls"

Hence D.
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2010, 12:00
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Found it somewhere.......The following answers all my questions and doubts.

as much as 20% of the leaf and small-stem material..

Keep the following in mind

much is always used for non-countable nouns(ie. singular nouns)
many for plural/countable ones

So we need a singular verb here..which is supplied by D. shatters and falls
Hence the answer

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OK, so you are saying that since non-countable nouns can not be plural, and "much" always refer to non-countable nouns, we need a singular verb here?

So if it were as many as 20% of bla bla bla...it could be both singular or plural and the decision would be much difficult?

Please clarify.
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2010, 00:03
Phrases such as
...half of...
...part of...
...20% of...
are singular when they refer to a mass or to non-countable objects,
and plural when they refer to a number of individual items or to countable objects.

For example,
20% of the cards ARE missing.
20% of the deck IS missing.

For the GMAT question stated in the original post,
D is correct and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatters and falls...
Note: The phrase "leaf and small-stem" is an adjective phrase that refers to the word "material".

B is incorrect and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatter and fall.
To correct B, we can rewrite it as
...as many as 20% of the...materials...shatter and fall.

ANS: D
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2010, 04:47
Are you sure?
For me the subject is "20 percent of the leaf" and "small-stem material" (that is, two nouns joined by AND), so it is therefore plural.

Could you explain this?
Many thanks in advance.

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For the GMAT question stated in the original post,
D is correct and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatters and falls...
Note: The phrase "leaf and small-stem" is an adjective phrase that refers to the word "material".

B is incorrect and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatter and fall.
To correct B, we can rewrite it as
...as many as 20% of the...materials...shatter and fall.

ANS: D

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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2010, 07:20
One of those confusing ones from 1000sc. I have reread this several times Iand know the OA is D. Still, i'd go with B every time.
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2010, 09:07
noboru wrote:
Are you sure?
For me the subject is "20 percent of the leaf" and "small-stem material" (that is, two nouns joined by AND), so it is therefore plural.

Could you explain this?
Many thanks in advance.

cabelk wrote:

For the GMAT question stated in the original post,
D is correct and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatters and falls...
Note: The phrase "leaf and small-stem" is an adjective phrase that refers to the word "material".

B is incorrect and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatter and fall.
To correct B, we can rewrite it as
...as many as 20% of the...materials...shatter and fall.

ANS: D


CONFUSION ABOUT COMPOUND SUBJECTS
For the GMAT question stated in the original post, the phrase "20% of the leaf and small-stem material" is not a COMPOUND SUBJECT because the structure of the phrase as a COMPOUND SUBJECT is not parallel. To function as a COMPOUND SUBJECT with proper parallel structure, the phrase could be rewritten as
"as much as 20% of the leaf and all of the small-stem material shatter and fall"

TOPIC: NOUNS AS ADJECTIVES
Concerning the phrase "20% of the leaf and small-stem material",
The NOUN "leaf" is acting as an ADJECTIVE which modifies "material".

For example, if I baked 1 pie composed of a mix of apples and cherries, I could say:
"20% of the apple and cherry pie is gone."
Note: "apple" and "cherry" are NOUNS acting as ADJECTIVES, together modifying the subject "pie".
Note: Regardless of the apples and cherries in the pie, the word "pie" is still singular.

HOW TO SIMPLIFY
If you're still having difficulty, you can simplify the phrase.
First, determine if the NOUN is acting as an ADJECTIVE.
Second, replace the NOUN AS ADJECTIVE with a simple ADJECTIVE.

For example, you can rewrite:
"20% of the leaf and small-stem material"
as
"20% of the fuzzy and fluffy material"
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 09 Nov 2010, 09:46
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Are you sure?
For me the subject is "20 percent of the leaf" and "small-stem material" (that is, two nouns joined by AND), so it is therefore plural.

Could you explain this?
Many thanks in advance.



The subject here is material (How do we know? Because the non-underlined portion says : material and not materials).

Material is always singular; and if material is singular, 20% of the material would also be singular.

Ok. Now as many would wonder, how do we know that material is the subject and not leaf and small-stem.

Well, that’s because the only plausible way to read it is: 20 % of the (leaf and small-stem) material.

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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2010, 08:02
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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 13 Nov 2010, 02:05
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noboru wrote:
Are you sure?
For me the subject is "20 percent of the leaf" and "small-stem material" (that is, two nouns joined by AND), so it is therefore plural.

Could you explain this?
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The subject here is material (How do we know? Because the non-underlined portion says : material and not materials).

Material is always singular; and if material is singular, 20% of the material would also be singular.

Ok. Now as many would wonder, how do we know that material is the subject and not leaf and small-stem.

Well, that’s because the only plausible way to read it is: 20 % of the (leaf and small-stem) material.


Thanks, but...could you elaborate on "the only plausible way to read is..."

Why you cannot read 20% of the leaf + small-stem material =Noun+Noun-->plural?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: mySC - Harvesting forage crops Alfalfa 03-11 [#permalink] New post 13 Nov 2010, 07:27
cabelk wrote:
noboru wrote:
Are you sure?
For me the subject is "20 percent of the leaf" and "small-stem material" (that is, two nouns joined by AND), so it is therefore plural.

Could you explain this?
Many thanks in advance.

cabelk wrote:

For the GMAT question stated in the original post,
D is correct and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatters and falls...
Note: The phrase "leaf and small-stem" is an adjective phrase that refers to the word "material".

B is incorrect and can be rephrased as
...as much as 20% of the...material...shatter and fall.
To correct B, we can rewrite it as
...as many as 20% of the...materials...shatter and fall.

ANS: D


CONFUSION ABOUT COMPOUND SUBJECTS
For the GMAT question stated in the original post, the phrase "20% of the leaf and small-stem material" is not a COMPOUND SUBJECT because the structure of the phrase as a COMPOUND SUBJECT is not parallel. To function as a COMPOUND SUBJECT with proper parallel structure, the phrase could be rewritten as
"as much as 20% of the leaf and all of the small-stem material shatter and fall"

TOPIC: NOUNS AS ADJECTIVES
Concerning the phrase "20% of the leaf and small-stem material",
The NOUN "leaf" is acting as an ADJECTIVE which modifies "material".

For example, if I baked 1 pie composed of a mix of apples and cherries, I could say:
"20% of the apple and cherry pie is gone."
Note: "apple" and "cherry" are NOUNS acting as ADJECTIVES, together modifying the subject "pie".
Note: Regardless of the apples and cherries in the pie, the word "pie" is still singular.

HOW TO SIMPLIFY
If you're still having difficulty, you can simplify the phrase.
First, determine if the NOUN is acting as an ADJECTIVE.
Second, replace the NOUN AS ADJECTIVE with a simple ADJECTIVE.

For example, you can rewrite:
"20% of the leaf and small-stem material"
as
"20% of the fuzzy and fluffy material"


Thank you so much for your time and effort and such a good explanation. However, I'm not sure that I'd answer a similar kind of question correctly in the future. :(
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Re: harvesting forage - SC! [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2011, 03:28
found on another side.i found it helpful..



Here we have the following thing..

as much as 20% of the leaf and small-stem material..

Keep the following in mind

much is always used for non-countable nouns(ie. singular nouns)
many for plural/countable ones


So we need a singular verb here..which is supplied by D. shatters and falls
Hence the answer
Re: harvesting forage - SC!   [#permalink] 11 Sep 2011, 03:28
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