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In Winters v. United States (1908), the Supreme Court held that the right to use waters flowing through or adjacent to the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation was reserved to American Indians by the treaty establishing the reservation. Although this treaty did not mention water rights, the Court ruled that the federal government, when it created the reservation,
intended to deal fairly with American Indians by preserving for them the waters without which their lands would have been useless. Later decisions, citing Winters, established that courts can find federal rights to reserve water for particular purposes if (1) the land in question lies within an enclave under exclusive federal jurisdiction, (2) the land has been
formally withdrawn from federal public lands — i.e., withdrawn from the stock of federal lands available for private use under federal land use laws — and set aside or reserved, and (3) the circumstances reveal the government intended to reserve water as well as land when establishing the reservation.

Some American Indian tribes have also established water rights through the courts based on their traditional diversion and use of certain waters prior to the United States’ acquisition of sovereignty. For example, the Rio Grande pueblos already existed when the United States acquired sovereignty over New Mexico in 1848. Although they at that time became part of the United States, the pueblo lands never formally constituted a part of federal public lands; in any event, no treaty, statute, or executive order has ever designated or withdrawn the pueblos from public lands as American Indian reservations. This fact, however, has not barred application of the Winters doctrine. What constitutes an American Indian reservation is a question of practice, not of legal definition, and the pueblos have always been treated as reservations by the United States. This pragmatic approach is buttressed by Arizona
v. California (1963), wherein the Supreme Court indicated that the manner in which any type of federal reservation is created does not affect the application to it of the Winters doctrine. Therefore, the reserved water rights of Pueblo Indians have priority over other citizens’ water rights as of 1848, the year in which pueblos must be considered to have become reservations.
Q8: The author cites the fact that the Rio Grande pueblos were never formally withdrawn from public lands primarily in order to do which of the following?
A. Suggest why it might have been argued that the Winters doctrine ought not to apply to pueblo lands
B. Imply that the United States never really acquired sovereignty over pueblo lands
C. Argue that the pueblo lands ought still to be considered part of federal public lands
D. Support the argument that the water rights of citizens other than American Indians are limited by the Winters doctrine
E. Suggest that federal courts cannot claim jurisdiction over cases disputing the traditional diversion and use of water by Pueblo Indians
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Q9: The passage suggests that, if the criteria discussed in lines 16 – 32 were the only criteria for establishing a reservation’s water rights, which of the following would be true?
A. The water rights of the inhabitants of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation would not take precedence over those of other citizens.
B. Reservations established before 1848 would be judged to have no water rights.
C. There would be no legal basis for the water rights of the Rio Grande pueblos.
D. Reservations other than American Indian reservations could not be created with reserved water rights.
E. Treaties establishing reservations would have to mention water rights explicitly in order to reserve water for a particular purpose.
[Reveal] Spoiler:
C


Q10: According to the passage, which of the following was true of the treaty establishing the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation?
A. It was challenged in the Supreme Court a number of times.
B. It was rescinded by the federal government, an action that gave rise to the Winters case.
C. It cited American Indians’ traditional use of the land’s resources.
D. It failed to mention water rights to be enjoyed by the reservation’s inhabitants.
E. It was modified by the Supreme Court in Arizona v. California.
[Reveal] Spoiler:
D


Q11: The primary purpose of the passage is to
A. trace the development of laws establishing American Indian reservations
B. explain the legal bases for the water rights of American Indian tribes
C. question the legal criteria often used to determine the water rights of American Indian tribes
D. discuss evidence establishing the earliest date at which the federal government recognized the water rights of American Indians
E. point out a legal distinction between different types of American Indian reservations
[Reveal] Spoiler:
B


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Re: RC: Winters v. United States [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2008, 17:03
This was one of the most toughest RCs, I ever had. Pretty tough at least for me. Below mentioned are my answers, please confirm the OAs.

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Re: RC: Winters v. United States [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2008, 20:36
shit...this one just knocked me off...

i am going wth

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pls post OA..i wont be able to sleep until then :(
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Re: RC: Winters v. United States [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2008, 21:43
C, D, A, B
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Re: RC: Winters v. United States: WanttotakeashotatthiskillerRC [#permalink] New post 15 Jul 2008, 18:20
Vk please post OA
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Re: RC: Winters v. United States: WanttotakeashotatthiskillerRC [#permalink] New post 15 Jul 2008, 19:30
vksunder wrote:
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Q8:
The author cites the fact that the Rio Grande pueblos were never formally withdrawn
from public lands primarily in order to do which of the following?
A. Suggest why it might have been argued that the Winters doctrine ought not to
apply to pueblo lands.
No, passage states This fact, however, has not barred application of the Winters doctrine.
B. Imply that the United States never really acquired sovereignty over pueblo lands
The passage cites the example related to water treaty/reservations so wrong
C. Argue that the pueblo lands ought still to be considered part of federal public
lands.
No, because of "the pueblo lands never formally constituted a part of federal public lands"
D. Support the argument that the water rights of citizens other than American Indians
are limited by the Winters doctrine.
No, the passage also mentioned other rules by court in addition to Winters doctrine
E. Suggest that federal courts cannot claim jurisdiction over cases disputing the
traditional diversion and use of water by Pueblo Indians.
Correct
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Q9:
The passage suggests that, if the criteria discussed in lines 16 – 32 were the only criteria
for establishing a reservation’s water rights, which of the following would be true?
Note criteria discussed in lines 16 – 32 is "Later decisions, citing Winters"

A. The water rights of the inhabitants of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation would
not take precedence over those of other citizens.
B. Reservations established before 1848 would be judged to have no water rights.
C. There would be no legal basis for the water rights of the Rio Grande pueblos.
D. Reservations other than American Indian reservations could not be created with
reserved water rights.
E. Treaties establishing reservations would have to mention water rights explicitly in
order to reserve water for a particular purpose.
Only E is stressed the rule (3) line 28
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Q10:
According to the passage, which of the following was true of the treaty establishing the
Fort Berthold Indian Reservation?
A. It was challenged in the Supreme Court a number of times.
B. It was rescinded by the federal government, an action that gave rise to the Winters
case.
C. It cited American Indians’ traditional use of the land’s resources.
D. It failed to mention water rights to be enjoyed by the reservation’s inhabitants.
passage says "Although this treaty did not mention water rights"
E. It was modified by the Supreme Court in Arizona v. California.
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Q11:
The primary purpose of the passage is to
A. trace the development of laws establishing American Indian reservations
B. explain the legal bases for the water rights of American Indian tribes
C. question the legal criteria often used to determine the water rights of American
Indian tribes
D. discuss evidence establishing the earliest date at which the federal government
recognized the water rights of American Indians
E. point out a legal distinction between different types of American Indian
reservations


E, E, D, B

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Re: RC: Winters v. United States: WanttotakeashotatthiskillerRC [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2008, 06:15
Guys,

OA = A/ C/ D/ B

This RC was painful!

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Re: RC: Winters v. United States: WanttotakeashotatthiskillerRC [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2008, 06:45
damn 2/4 sucks...
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GMAT sets (19) - RC - long passage [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2009, 02:53
In Winters v. United States
(1908), the Supreme Court held
that the right to use waters flow-
Line ing through or adjacent to the
(5) Fort Berthold Indian Reservation
was reserved to American Indians
by the treaty establishing the reservation.
Although this treaty did
not mention water rights, the Court
(10) ruled that the federal government,
when it created the reservation,
intended to deal fairly with
American Indians by preserving
for them the waters without which
(15) their lands would have been use
less. Later decisions, citing
Winters, established that courts
can find federal rights to reserve
water for particular purposes if
(20) (1) the land in question lies within
an enclave under exclusive federal
jurisdiction, (2) the land has been
formally withdrawn from federal
public lands — i.e., withdrawn from
(25) the stock of federal lands available
for private use under federal
land use laws — and set aside or
reserved, and (3) the circumstances
reveal the government
(30) intended to reserve water as well
as land when establishing the
reservation.
Some American Indian tribes
have also established water rights
(35) through the courts based on their
traditional diversion and use of
certain waters prior to the United
States’ acquisition of sovereignty.
For example, the Rio Grande
(40) pueblos already existed when the
United States acquired sovereignty
over New Mexico in 1848. Although
they at that time became part of the
United States, the pueblo lands
(45) never formally constituted a part
of federal public lands; in any
event, no treaty, statute, or executive
order has ever designated
or withdrawn the pueblos from
(50) public lands as American Indian
reservations. This fact, however,
has not barred application
of the Winters doctrine. What
constitutes an American Indian
(55) reservation is a question of
practice, not of legal definition,
and the pueblos have always
been treated as reservations by
the United States. This pragmatic
(60) approach is buttressed by Arizona
v. California (1963)
, wherein the
Supreme Court indicated that the
manner in which any type of federal
reservation is created does not
(65) affect the application to it of the
Winters doctrine. Therefore, the
reserved water rights of Pueblo
Indians have priority over other
citizens’ water rights as of 1848,
(70) the year in which pueblos must
be considered to have become
reservations.

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Q25:
The author cites the fact that the Rio Grande pueblos were never formally withdrawn
from public lands primarily in order to do which of the following?

A. Suggest why it might have been argued that the Winters doctrine ought not to
apply to pueblo lands
B. Imply that the United States never really acquired sovereignty over pueblo lands
C. Argue that the pueblo lands ought still to be considered part of federal public
lands
D. Support the argument that the water rights of citizens other than American Indians
are limited by the Winters doctrine
E. Suggest that federal courts cannot claim jurisdiction over cases disputing the
traditional diversion and use of water by Pueblo Indians

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q26:
The passage suggests that, if the criteria discussed in lines 16 – 32 were the only criteria
for establishing a reservation’s water rights, which of the following would be true?

A. The water rights of the inhabitants of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation would
not take precedence over those of other citizens.
B. Reservations established before 1848 would be judged to have no water rights.
C. There would be no legal basis for the water rights of the Rio Grande pueblos.
D. Reservations other than American Indian reservations could not be created with
reserved water rights.
E. Treaties establishing reservations would have to mention water rights explicitly in
order to reserve water for a particular purpose.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q27:
According to the passage, which of the following was true of the treaty establishing the
Fort Berthold Indian Reservation?

A. It was challenged in the Supreme Court a number of times.
B. It was rescinded by the federal government, an action that gave rise to the Winters
case.
C. It cited American Indians’ traditional use of the land’s resources.
D. It failed to mention water rights to be enjoyed by the reservation’s inhabitants.
E. It was modified by the Supreme Court in Arizona v. California.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q28:

The primary purpose of the passage is to
A. trace the development of laws establishing American Indian reservations
B. explain the legal bases for the water rights of American Indian tribes
C. question the legal criteria often used to determine the water rights of American
Indian tribes
D. discuss evidence establishing the earliest date at which the federal government
recognized the water rights of American Indians
E. point out a legal distinction between different types of American Indian
reservations
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Re: GMAT sets (19) - RC - long passage [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2009, 21:29
my take : 1A 2C 3D 4C (9.03min)
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Re: GMAT sets (19) - RC - long passage [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 13:30
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Re: RC: Winters v. United States: WanttotakeashotatthiskillerRC [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 13:36
I got C on the last quesiton. Why am I wrong?
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Re: GMAT sets (19) - RC - long passage [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 15:26
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thank u - both the topics are now merged
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Re: In Winters v. United States (1908), the Supreme Court held [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2012, 13:16
This is a really tough one.
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Re: In Winters v. United States (1908), the Supreme Court held [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2012, 18:46
marked E E D B
i.e. 2/4

Okay first two questions are way tough and didnt find anyone here getting at right answer.
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Re: In Winters v. United States (1908), the Supreme Court held [#permalink] New post 30 Mar 2012, 08:06
took 7.30 mintutes
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Re: RC: Winters v. United States: WanttotakeashotatthiskillerRC [#permalink] New post 30 Mar 2012, 08:10
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I got C on the last quesiton. Why am I wrong?



Its is very close. But IMO it does not actually "question" it actually "explains"

Different criteria are explained in the passage. Validity of none is questioned. Hope this helps
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Re: In Winters v. United States (1908), the Supreme Court held [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2012, 04:18
With a beautiful 28 on TOEFL, I always thought that I am good at RC but this test actually knocked me off!!!
It's really tough! I answered all the questions wrong!! I hope I wouldn't face it in real GMAT!
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Re: In Winters v. United States (1908), the Supreme Court held t [#permalink] New post 17 Oct 2013, 15:38
Guys,

I just went through this passage and made me feel horrible. By far, one of the toughest reading ever. But, this made me think about how to approach a tough reading in the exam. I could learn two lessons out of it:

(a) How to find the topic: It took me a while to figure out the main topic, as I was expecting something in the line of "clash between federal state and native americans" and so on. But I realized that GMAT is ALWAYS prone to mention it in the first two sentences of every reading. In this case one should have caught that the topic was about "...right to use water..."

(b) Once one find the main topic, keep the pace to reach the opposing views (swings): In this text, it became clear to me that there were the "legal" and the "practical" views. Confronting them is the main role of the second paragraph, and then the passage becomes easier to flow.

I understand these involve a lot of common sense, but the importance of them become evident only in a tough reading like the one above.

Please, share any of your thoughts about a particular way to approach this passage, as well.

Cheers!
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