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26 Dec 2007, 12:56
Now, who's the show-off?

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Look at me! Three months later, I am accepted to ... Kellogg
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26 Dec 2007, 13:20
river, I am just quoting what I have heard incessantly from a lot of well-meaning folks. I can post the link to the threads with these statements, but I am not going to do so because it is only going to create a unhealthy atmosphere. In any case, I dont want to disrespect people who made a genuine attempt to help me.

I dont claim to know what people feel about me, I am only making a judgement based on what they tell me. If some one tells me "Your essays are great, but no amount of editing will change the fact that you are male Indian IT", what conclusion should I draw?

And none of us here believe that if we dont get in, its because of our demographic/background. I know that a lot of desi applicants get in because they put together great applications and there is no reason an Indian Male IT, like me or mNeo or others, cannot be one of them.

Indian Male ITs face a lot of stereotyping, which does us no good from an application perspective. Thats the point of my whole post.

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NC, I dont think that people (consultants or otherwise) feel that Indians' leadership is not true leadership or that an Indian Consultant is not a real consultant because they work in India...this is not what causes people to say Indians have less of a chance. Its that there are a lot of people that have similar backgrounds, so its harder to set themselves apart. Plenty of Indians get in, they just happen to work for a name brand, have extremely impressive examples of leadership, and are going to be at a higher level. Its the same thing as bankers...HBS is going to take the VP from Goldman over the analyst from some unknown bank.
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26 Dec 2007, 21:04
dudes seriously........wasnt trying to diss anyone off. Least of all my Infy/ Wipro peeps.......I totally understand that bit abt IT being ultra-competitive some years ago. I know........Hell I started off my career there.

All I am saying is that the stats are mucho against you if you are an Indian candidate - esp. if you are an India based Indian candidate.

Fact - of the 18 Indian-Indian R1 applicants for W who created their ad411 profile and the 12 who took the trouble for U-Chic AND the 17 for Kellogg ........there are a grand total of ZERO admits reported. Thats zero with a capital Z. and a capital E ........you get the idea

So thats 0 / 47 - even with random disclaimers like "some of the admits havent been reported" an "dudes who actually get in dont do loser stull like make profiles", I would say these are very sucky odds.

The closest dudes got are with 4 waitlists (2 for Chic, 2 for W) .........

Dont mistake this for defeatism/ chronic pessimism. I was always hopeful........part of me still is. Just a lil disappointed ........thats all

But have no fear.........the times are soon gonna change. We will flip the numbers around an after the lesbian pool from Ivory Coast is frozen out of HBS cause of the Indian geek male domination, that they'll sing songs like "Fragments of what used to be.........skeletons of society"

(ya I worte the last para just cause I wanted to quote Slayer
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26 Dec 2007, 21:14
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No, I am planning to rekindle my love for a specific bike once I am done with the R2.

Hayabusa > *

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12 Jan 2008, 23:54
Bump Bump Bump BumpBump

Desi Junta

Ross loves Indians
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13 Jan 2008, 12:49
ncp, dos -common folks --

where is the debrief
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13 Jan 2008, 15:05

I dont claim to know what people feel about me, I am only making a judgement based on what they tell me. If some one tells me "Your essays are great, but no amount of editing will change the fact that you are male Indian IT", what conclusion should I draw?

And none of us here believe that if we dont get in, its because of our demographic/background. I know that a lot of desi applicants get in because they put together great applications and there is no reason an Indian Male IT, like me or mNeo or others, cannot be one of them.

Indian Male ITs face a lot of stereotyping, which does us no good from an application perspective. Thats the point of my whole post.

riverripper wrote:
NC, I dont think that people (consultants or otherwise) feel that Indians' leadership is not true leadership or that an Indian Consultant is not a real consultant because they work in India...this is not what causes people to say Indians have less of a chance. Its that there are a lot of people that have similar backgrounds, so its harder to set themselves apart. Plenty of Indians get in, they just happen to work for a name brand, have extremely impressive examples of leadership, and are going to be at a higher level. Its the same thing as bankers...HBS is going to take the VP from Goldman over the analyst from some unknown bank.

If you target only the UE schools with no backups, then I would suggest revising your application strategy. You need backup schools as well.
Other issues which restrict Indian acceptances is the sheer volume. With all schools talking about diversity, it means they cant fill a school with people all of the same background and similar future goals. It doesnt make for a great learning environment. Furthermore, with restrictions on work visas, schools are probably aware that it may affect their statistics.

As for the steroetype, doesnt affect me, I work with lots of Indians and visit Bangalore as part of my job, so Im well aware of how good (and how bad) some of the workers are. Im also well conversed in Bangalore-Time . A lot of the better engineers from Wipro/Infosys et al, tend to get poached by other companies, and Ive met quite a few excellent specialists and consultants.
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13 Jan 2008, 15:38
Its coming in the next week or so.

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ncp, dos -common folks --

where is the debrief
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13 Jan 2008, 20:00
dude...

Ncprasad’s MBA Story – Part 1 : The MBA Decision

I never thought that I would one day be applying to business school. Like most young engineers in the Indian IT sector, I thought that MBA grads are there just to make up fantastic stories about how our software rocks and how our <insert outlandish buzz word here> business model is better than that of all the other companies around, so that clients will give us business. In fact, I had a fair amount of disrespect for MBAs. In my mind, they were too snooty, too lazy and certainly no good. Years rolled on and my views that MBAs are nothing but glorified over-paid power point professionals had not changed that much since the early days of my career.

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So, I went to my manager(an IIM-A graduate) and asked him if the company would support me for an EMBA. He said “Yes”, and then advised me that there is a HUGE difference between an EMBA from T-bird and an FT MBA from a top 20 school. More than all the salary and job profile info that he shared, what struck me was his confidence in my ability to succeed at a top MBA program. Over a period of 1 year, he constantly quizzed me about my MBA search, and egged me on to take it more seriously. Then, a colleague of mine told me to stop worrying about the type of MBA and start worrying about the GMAT because I had to take it no matter what. Apparently I had to take this exam and get a score of 700+(what a weird scoring system, I think) because I have a cookie-cutter profile (More on this later). At the end, he told me to register at this website called http://www.gmatclub.com. And I did. The rest, as they say, is history.

The history lesson will continue sometime next week...
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13 Jan 2008, 22:01
nice, can't wait to read the rest, NC!
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13 Jan 2008, 22:14
Yes, continue.

I think we all like to hear about these stories.
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14 Jan 2008, 11:31
Ncprasad’s MBA Story – Part 2 : The GMAT

01/13/07 - MGMAT CAT 1 - 780 - Q48,V51
01/20/07 - MGMAT CAT 2 - 780 - Q49,V51
02/06/07 - MGMAT CAT 3 - 800 - Q51,V51

Great post NC. I don't know HOW you got Q51 *and* V51 on the MGMAT CATs!!! Wow! I'm not worthy! The highest I have ever gotten on the MGMAT CAT is Q47 and V41...

Anyway, lots of kudos for you for this very informative and useful post. +10!
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15 Jan 2008, 15:17
Amazing story nc , you are motivating me to think about taking the GMAT again - I scored a 720 at first attempt, which, I felt, was not my best effort. I have not used any of the manhattan or LSAT books and feel I can improve both my math and verbal enough to do better. I have some more time on my hands, now that I have finished my applications for 2008 start.
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16 Jan 2008, 09:15
I suppose I came to the party a little late. I got my CBS admit just around thanksgiving time - been coasting along ever since Thought I had a good chance at LBS - the other schools I had applied to. But the subjective nature of the process and being in the desi pool took its toll - a waitlist. But I am happy I got into a great school...... It is not easy for desis that's all I can say. The key is to differentiate. Best of luck everyone.
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16 Jan 2008, 09:47
Congrats on CBS! Were you a reapplicant there by any chance? Also- could you please post your profile in the admissions/rejections thread? That would help future applicants. Thanks!

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I suppose I came to the party a little late. I got my CBS admit just around thanksgiving time - been coasting along ever since Thought I had a good chance at LBS - the other schools I had applied to. But the subjective nature of the process and being in the desi pool took its toll - a waitlist. But I am happy I got into a great school...... It is not easy for desis that's all I can say. The key is to differentiate. Best of luck everyone.
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16 Jan 2008, 11:19
[quote="dosa_don"]Congrats on CBS! Were you a reapplicant there by any chance? Also- could you please post your profile in the admissions/rejections thread? That would help future applicants. Thanks!

Thanks dosa. Not a reapplicant. Just feel lucky/glad I got through the chatter and the excruciating b-school adminssions process.
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16 Jan 2008, 11:22
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16 Jan 2008, 12:19
i added summer2010 to the results list. Just need his profile in the profile list.

Congrats summer2010!
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17 Jan 2008, 10:55
great post! kudos!
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17 Jan 2008, 12:11
Ncprasad...Great debriefs man, really very helpful. I am new to this forum but over the last few days have gone through all the 50+ pages of this forum; having read your previous posts, all I can say is you deserve it man...good luck and you are a catch for Ross...

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