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Any Indian admits so far?

Would be interested to know their profiles and their success story

Edit: Indian - Any one holding Indian Passport - Indian citizens(with no GC/dual citizenship)

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Ncprasad’s MBA Story – Part 2 : The GMAT

So, with no idea what type of MBA I was going to pursue or where I was going to apply, I registered at GMAT Club. To give you an idea how naïve I was at that time, the only “Ross” I knew at that time was the discount clothing outlet near my house. In the beginning, I was intimidated by the posts on the math forum. Hobbit and Fig were posting regularly those days, and their explanations to tough math problems went a million miles above my head. My confidence that I can ace this test (after all, I scored 100% in math all through high school and college) was shaken. But by now, the competitive juice in me was flowing and I was really addicted to the forum. I started working diligently on OG problems. Then, I slowly moved to verbal which surprisingly came easy to me. For CR, the area one can most improve on, I used the “other” official guide in the verbal forum. One written by HongHu, the GMAT goddess and a PPT written by AkamaiBrah, the real-life wizard of Oz. Slowly but surely, my GMAT practice went higher and higher and I was soon getting 800s in my practice tests. I was also posting a lot on the verbal forum. The more I posted, the better I got (New members, take note of this).

11/29/06 - Power Prep 1 - 690 - Q45,V40 - With virtually no preparation.
12/17/06 - Power Prep 2 - 760 - Q49,V45
01/02/07 - GMAT Prep 1 - 750 - Q49,V44
01/13/07 - MGMAT CAT 1 - 780 - Q48,V51
01/20/07 - MGMAT CAT 2 - 780 - Q49,V51
02/06/07 - MGMAT CAT 3 - 800 - Q51,V51
02/10/07 - GMAT Prep 2 - 760 - Q49,V45
02/16/07 - Repeat GMAT Prep - 780 - Q51,V47

Finally, the D-day came and it came with disappointment. 740 with Q50 and V40. I know it sounds silly to call this a bad score. But, that’s how I felt at that time. I publicly admonished myself on the forum and I quickly regretted it. There were many who would give anything to have my score and by ranting I was indirectly insulting those who worked very hard for their 730s and 720s. If I was not happy, I needed to vent myself gracefully. From that experience, I learned an important lesson. To be sensitive to others opinions and emotions when I post on the forum. I needed another way to work off my frustration. I decided to retake the GMAT. (shocking, I know!).

I analyzed my test day performance and realized that in my anxiety to see my final score, I had rushed through the verbal section. I promised myself that I will take it slower the next time. I also bought the Quantitative review book and worked out all the problems. I printed hobbit’s explanations of tough math problems and read them every day. I prepared less intensely the second time and tried to relax in the build up as much as myself. (thank god, I didn’t relax with Jessica Simpson in Cancun. It would have been hell to pay).

Finally, I scored a 760 with Q49 and V44. I was satisfied.

GMAT done and dusted, I took time to pen my thoughts on how best to go about preparing. I am reposting them here in the off-chance that it might help someone.

Some random thoughts on the GMAT

GMAT Study Materials - Must Have List

Quantitative - OG 11th edition, OG Quantitative review
Sentence Correction - Manhattan GMAT Prep, Strunk and White - Elements of style
Critical Reasoning Strategy - LSAT super prep
Reading Comprehension Strategy - LSAT super prep

I have heard good things about the Manhattan book on word problems. But I personally did not use them and so I cannot comment.

QUANTITATIVE SECTION
I did not buy any other books for Q. Fig and Hobbit do an awesome job on the math forum and you dont need a book with those two around. Do NOT fret too much about probability and combinatorics. I have seen a lot of people who worry too much about these 2 areas of math and thus, waste valuable time which could be spent much more productively on other areas.Hobbit hit the nail in the head when he said this...

the most common prep mistake (in my view...) that people do:
- concentrating on advanced concepts and hard questions. the ROI of this kind of prep is small (it would be higher if you were to advance for 48-49 to 51).


One other thing. Do not spend too much analyzing the difficulty level of the questions during the real exam. I have heard my friends say that if you are doing well, you will get more probability and combinatorics questions. It's not true.On the real GMAT test, I got ZERO probability questions. I got exactly 1 tough combinatorics question. I still ended up with a 50. Work on improving weak areas, but do not spend too much time working on a couple of question types. Make sure that you practice the routine questions again and again. Ultimately, these questions will decide whether you have a good test day or not.

Strategy to get into the GMAT mode of problem solving
The GMAT tests very basic mathematical concepts. All the questions can be solved using simple math formulae and common sense. You can prepare for the GMAT math by regularly doing this simple, yet fun, exercise.
Pick a couple of your friends who are preparing for GMAT.
Use simple math forumulae create try creating twisted GMAT-type questions.
Each of you can create a list of questions in this manner and challenge the others to solve it.
By doing this exercise enough, you will begin to think like the test makers and your brain is better trained to spot the traps.

Also, everybody knows that asking questions is a lot more easier than answering them

The problems in the real test are slightly more complex than the ones in GMAT prep. For example, I got one real twister in the math section.

The question had 2 linear inequalities with variables x and y. The answer choices were 5 graphs and I had to pick the choice that graphically represented the solutions to the inequalities. The question threw me off, and I ended up spending 5 mins on this one.

The point is, no matter how much you are prepared, GMAT will throw you off the wheels with a twister. When you encounter a twister, just take a deep breath, give it a shot for 1 or 2 mins and if you still cannot solve it, guess and move on. Dont dwell too much on 1 question and lose valuable time. Because I got the above question close to the end of the math section(35th I think), knowing that I had 10 mins for the last three questions, I could afford to spend more time on it.

VERBAL SECTION
The LSAT super prep book is excellent for understanding CR and RC strategies. Believe me, you can improve as much in CR and RC as you can in SC.

For CR, check out HongHu's stickies on If X Then Y logic and Logical fallacies. They are hard to understand, but keep at it and spend some time studying and digesting them. It's well worth the effort.

I will hang around the verbal forum and will try to participate as much as possible. If you have questions on CR, PM me. I will be happy to help you, as much as I can.

Final thoughts

This club is the best online support group for GMAT preparation. Apart from the awesome materials available on this site, there are some extremely smart and helpful folks around. If you are a new club member,you should be happy that you have made the right decision by registering at GMAT club.

If you are a newbie to GMAT preparation, you will probably be intimidated by the quality of discussions at gmat club. I have some good news for you. Most of us felt intimidated at one time, but there is a simple and effective method to get over it.

PARTICIPATE!

And when you post answers,do not just say 'A' or 'B'. Be detailed when you post your answers. It makes for a very fruitful discussion. Now, I know what you are thinking.

I have a 12-hour work day and I have my wife and kids. I cannot post detailed answers:-(

Well, that's understandable. But remember, you can manage your time by choosing quality over quantity. If you can post only 1 quality post in a day, then so be it. The forum will be better for it and believe me, you will be too.

If you are wondering, 'What's in it for me?'

I request you to adopt this practice for another reason. To track your progress and to measure exam readiness accurately, you should verify that you not only select the correct answer, but that you also choose it for the right reason. Such introspection is especially important for the verbal section of the test and for the data sufficiency portion of the math section. Whenever you take a practice test, review the answers and categorize your correct answers as as 'truly correct' or 'false postive'.

One of the key decisions that will significantly affect your final score is your exam schedule. You should take your exam when you are in 'the zone', when everything seems to click.

The key question then is 'How do I determine exam readiness'?

Here's how.

For every CAT that I took, I rescored my practice test to account for 'false positives'. You do not need to have a really complicated rescoring method. One easy method that I used and recommend is to dock 0.5 point from your raw score for each false positive and finally round off your score to the lowest whole number.

For example, lets say you get Q49 and V45 with 5 false positives in each section. Rescore your test result using the above method. Your score becomes Q47, V42. This exercise can be little demoralizing in the beginning. But if you work diligently on identifying and correcting your weak areas as much as possible and reinforcing your strong areas, you will soon observe a downward trend in false positives.

I recommend that you take your GMAT only if your re-scored raw score combination consistently exceeds your target score by 20 points. (Obviously, this wont work if your target score is 800 )

And, take care of your health. I had severe sinus headache and fever on the day before the exam. In hindsight, I believe I was not in the best shape on exam day and I suspect my endurance during the test was lower than normal. This probably played a part in the final outcome.

Again, the point is, put yourself in the best possible position to succeed and being in good health is the first step towards putting yourself in the best position.
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Ncprasad’s MBA Story – Part 1 : The MBA Decision

I never thought that I would one day be applying to business school. Like most young engineers in the Indian IT sector, I thought that MBA grads are there just to make up fantastic stories about how our software rocks and how our <insert outlandish buzz word here> business model is better than that of all the other companies around, so that clients will give us business. In fact, I had a fair amount of disrespect for MBAs. In my mind, they were too snooty, too lazy and certainly no good. Years rolled on and my views that MBAs are nothing but glorified over-paid power point professionals had not changed that much since the early days of my career.

It was years later when the MBA question came up. I was in the US and was managing a bunch of smart folks who were more intelligent than me and had more ambition than I had. The “Star” team member on my team came in one day and asked me if I would recommend him for business school admission. Obviously, I wanted him to continue working for me. So, I challenged him to convince me how and why an MBA will help him and what it can do for his career that his current job wont do. That conversation opened my eyes and I saw the great benefits that an MBA could offer for me. I helped that guy get into Tepper, he went on to get a great job at Booz and I was inspired, more than ever. Then, reality set in.

I was married and a kid was on the way. There were numerous other family commitments to fulfill. I thought through and decided that an MBA is not in my future. It was a bitter pill to swallow, but family came first. The possibility of an MBA was relegated to unknown confines, somewhere deep inside my mind.

Life went on. I progressed at work, but could still sense emptiness within me. It was not the money or prestige. I simply hated the mundane nature of my work and wanted new challenges to satisfy my intellectual appetite. Perhaps motivated by this, a group of friends and I started an IT start up focusing on developing software targeting the municipal governance sector. We had fun, made a lot of great contacts at top government agencies, won an award for our software and basically accomplished a lot more than we set out to do. The possibility of working for myself and taking this casual enterprise to the next level re-ignited my desire to pursue an MBA. After talking to an enormous amount of folks, I finally decided to take the plunge and apply.

The first thing I found out about the MBA is that it costs a lot to get one. Well, at least a decent one costs a lot. Usually upwards of $ 100,000. Convert this into Indian Rupees(we desi folks have this habit you know!), and I was looking at a huge expense. It was a WTF moment. I couldn’t believe that people would quit a good job, and spend enormous amount of money on a 2-year degree that may or may not make a difference to their careers. So, I decided to be a smart ass and decided to pursue an EMBA from Thunderbird. Nice school, was ranked #1 in International Business( :-D ), and my company was going to move me to Phoenix very soon. Thunderbird seemed like a great option.

So, I went to my manager(an IIM-A graduate) and asked him if the company would support me for an EMBA. He said “Yes”, and then advised me that there is a HUGE difference between an EMBA from T-bird and an FT MBA from a top 20 school. More than all the salary and job profile info that he shared, what struck me was his confidence in my ability to succeed at a top MBA program. Over a period of 1 year, he constantly quizzed me about my MBA search, and egged me on to take it more seriously. Then, a colleague of mine told me to stop worrying about the type of MBA and start worrying about the GMAT because I had to take it no matter what. Apparently I had to take this exam and get a score of 700+(what a weird scoring system, I think) because I have a cookie-cutter profile (More on this later). At the end, he told me to register at this website called http://www.gmatclub.com. And I did. The rest, as they say, is history.

The history lesson will continue sometime next week...
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Ncprasad’s MBA Story – Part 3 : Profile Evaluation & School Selection

By January’07, I was a full-time lurker in the B-school application forum. Just reading posts by the class of 2009 about their application process, decision anxiety and their happiness in getting into their dream B-schools was worth every second that I spent. I was hooked. By February, after much discussion with my wife, I had decided to apply to full-time MBA programs. Having read at least 500 profile evaluations by Paul, Hjort and Scott, I knew it would be difficult to succeed in the admissions process. After I took my 1st GMAT, I submitted a crudely put together profile and waited for Paul’s response. I am reproducing it here from memory as best as I can.

6 yrs work ex, Indian Male IT, 740, 78% in Engg from a top Non-IIT school. Ranked 3rd in graduating class. I don’t remember putting anything about my ECs at that time.

Paul wrote a typically blunt review and basically told me: no shot at elite schools, may be you will get in one due to your GMAT. And don’t even think about UE schools. I pressed Paul to suggest schools where he thinks I might get in. He said UNC was my best-case situation and no school ranked higher than that. Now, UNC is a great school with its own strengths, but I was not thrilled with what I was told. I am bringing this up for one specific reason.

In most cases, people ask for profile evaluations right after they take GMAT or immediately after registering at GMAT club. Typically, profile requests posts are lazily written and with no second thought to what’s being written. I think this is a big mistake. Some of the people with crappy basic profiles(like mine above) in reality have a better profile. By writing a poor evaluation request, they run the risk of applying to schools worse than the schools they are capable of getting into. Simply put, they sell themselves short.

Think about profile evaluation requests as 1-page application files. You need to cover all facets of your candidacy – background, education, EC, Awards, Promotions, Type of Work, Management responsibilities (specify if they are direct/indirect), hardships overcome, Interests or Hobbies and any related accomplishments. Write succinctly, but with good detail. Spend at least a day or two writing your evaluation request and if possible get some one to review it for you before asking Paul or Scott. Do not submit one 15 minutes after you reach home from Pearson. If you want a good example of a well-written profile evaluation request, look for riverripper’s request in the Accepted forum.

4 months after my 1st request, I spent a week writing my second profile request. This time, I spoke in-depth about my goals, my accomplishments, my background, in detail. I included a 5-year and 10-year plan for my career, showed the various steps I see myself taking in my future career and most importantly made a good case for why I want to pursue that career. This time, I got a much more favorable response. I was told that I wont have any trouble getting into Ross, good chance getting into MIT and Wharton, and a may be for HBS. Accordingly, I switched my portfolio. From a reach school, Ross became a definite possibility school(As vindicated by the final decision). Based on the suggestions I received from Hjort, Paul and a few others from another GMAT forum, I came up with this final line-up

Hail Mary - no regrets school : HBS
Stretch school : Wharton
Possible : MIT
Definites : Cornell, Ross, UCLA
Back up : Haas PT


Drawn by rhyme’s irresistible charm, I ended up applying to Chicago GSB in addition to this list.

Compare this list with the original portfolio suggested by Paul.

CMU
McCombs
UNC
Babson
MIT (Hail Mary school)


In summary, I recommend doing a lot of research prior to making a profile evaluation request. In addition, feel free to go with your instinct and apply to 1 or 2 stretch schools irrespective of what someone says. Your dream school will remain in your dreams if you don’t apply to it. Just combine that with a healthy dose of objective decision-making.
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Ncprasad’s MBA Story – Part 4 : The Essays

Prior to writing further about my experience writing application essays, I have to put up a disclaimer.

DISCLAIMER

Please note that the tips and strategies that I am about to share are not necessarily the best way to go about the essay writing process. These ideas worked for me, but they may not for you. As with everything else posted on this board, please use your personal judgment. You and ONLY you can determine what’s best for you.

A word about admissions consultants

I have often heard people stressing over essays and wondering how to write well. Many feel that an admission consultant is the panacea to all their troubles. But, then again there are a lot of folks who believe that admissions consultants are scam artists. My opinion is that the truth lies somewhere in between. I am sure there are good consultants who can make a tangible difference to one’s essays, but I am also sure that there are many folks who either have no idea how to help you or simply don’t care for anything other than their fees. If you do go the consultant route, have reasonable expectations and do a lot of research before hiring one.

Improving your writing skills

Before I embarked on the application process, there was a poll about what everyone thought their achilles heel is, as far as admissions are concerned. I remember responding that the essays will most likely determine my B-school fate. Being from an oversubscribed Male Indian IT applicant pool, I knew I had my task cut out. There are those few smart and fortunate people who seem to write vividly and evenly with a lot of style, with ease. Unfortunately, I am not one of those. I am an average writer at best, who happens to have a fairly strong grasp of the fundamentals of the English language. By nature, I am a strong believer that preparation results in performance. This is probably why I believed that like GMAT scores, the ability to write well could be improved and polished so long as I put in the required effort. So, I enrolled in an expository writing class in the local community college. It was the best decision I made in 2007.

The course lasted for a few months, and cost me about $200. I figured even if I don’t get into school, I will at least acquire skills that can be transferred to my job. I learned a lot from my fellow students, and a good professor who was really passionate about teaching and writing. There were several class assignments that forced me to write on a daily basis. Believe me, this is a crucial aspect of the improvement process.

The best advice I got from my teacher was to “Write daily”. It doesn’t matter what you write about. Just write for 10-minutes non-stop everyday without fail. What you write does not have to make sense, be logical or even be interesting. Write whatever comes to your mind. By doing this, you quicken the time it takes for your brain to kick in when you really WANT to write. Practicing this exercise will help you get over writer’s block. There were several other interesting writing assignments I did for my class. One of them was writing summaries of the daily news. Basically, I had to pretend like a journalist and write my story based on what I hear in the evening news.

Sure, a lot of these things can be done without attending a class. But, I benefited from the structure and the sense of competition the class brought. If you are in the US, I suggest that you at least look into the possibility of taking a writing class in the local community college.

Here are some tips and tools for writing well.

Check the readability of your essays using MS word's Spelling & Grammar feature. Your Flesch reading ease index needs to be >40 atleast. The scale is severe on run-on sentences and verbosity. For reference purposes, flesch reading scale indexes for popular publications are

Harvard Law Review - 32
Harvard Business Review - 42
Reader's Digest - Mid 60's and above (This is my gold standard)
Your average insurance policy - 10

Although, the scale helps you evaluate readability it still does not tell you how to improve. To overcome this, I use the utility available at http://www.online-utility.org/english/r ... mprove.jsp

The utility will not only tell you your index, but also help you focus on the 'guilty' sentences. For a section of this post, the utility gave me this result.

For other helpful tips, refer to http://www.fireandknowledge.org/archive ... ting-well/

There are also several books, related to application essays, in the market. I used Paul Bodine’s book and also read through the Montauk’s book. In my opinion, although both books have some good ideas, their sample essays are not helpful to average candidates like me. I think this is where the GMAT club essay vault can play a significant role. There are not a lot of essays in that forum currently, but interested folks can PM me or other contributors to obtain samples of successful essays from this application season. One book that I do highly recommend for everyone is the NewsWeek essay writing guide. This book was my constant companion and reference guide during the applications process.

http://www.amazon.com/Essay-Writing-Ste ... 95&sr=8-36

Finally, be prepared to spend an insane amount of time on your essays. I spent 100 to 150 hours on each school’s essay. The first drafts of your essays will usually suck. Don’t be discouraged. Also, don’t squeeze the 100 hours or how much ever you spend on a school’s essays within a short timeframe. Essays need to marinate for while and generally your ideas will be refined if they evolve over a period of time. So, start with your essays in early July, if you are targetting R1.

I hope this write-up is helpful to all the 2009ers. Good Luck!
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Breaking the mold

The significant challenge faced by most folks from the Indian IT background is the perceived lack of impact of their day-to-day jobs and their own lack of business sense or acumen, perceived or otherwise. While there is some truth to this, I firmly believe that applicants can effectively position themselves by following a few simple techniques. With that in mind, I have tried to give an example of how some research and a decent amount of thought can spin a typical IT project into a solid yarn on impacting the business landscape at your company. Obviously, this is not mind-blowing stuff that hasn't been thought of by anyone before. All of what I write here is used by most applicants anyway. However, I want to illustrate how one can break the mold and showcase small successful IT initiatives as glowing testimonies of an applicant’s business-savvy.

So, you sift through your “experience inventory” to figure out what to write for the accomplishment essay. Unfortunately, you never saved a drowning child, never climbed mountains, ran in the Olympics, saved children in Burundi, or ever had a fancy-sounding hobby. You have just been a good boy. You studied hard to get into college and then worked harder to succeed in an IT services company. The only project that you’ve done that was even remotely interesting was the work he did in automating a manual process that was once thought in-conducive for programming. This particular essay theme sounds really boring. Right? Now, let us look at how we can transform this run of the mill story into a solid essay.

Just close your eyes and replay the whole project in our mind. But, while doing so, you fast-forward the picture thinking quickly “So, on project A, I wrote this super complicated algorithm to automate activity X, Y and Z. Nah, this sucks. What am I going to do with this s%$#*?” On to the next project. More the same and soon, you are at the end of your story list. Don’t be discouraged. Just slow down the whole project, and re-play.

Ideally, it should play to your inner eyes like a spoofed matrix-style fight scene. You are in the middle of the picture and as the camera rotates, you look at the various other actors in the scene. Some of them are people with whom you have to fight with, some stronger than you and therefore you avoid. There are also others who are fighting each other, a few on-lookers waiting to join the fight, and there are those few who know neither who they are fighting nor what they are fighting for. They constitute the people problems that you overcame during the project. Then, there are high walls, deep holes, trees that obstruct your view of the goals; they are the props on the set. They do not directly fight with you, but they influence whether you succeed. You wield your weapon in different directions, the line tracing the trajectory of the weapon shows who’s in its path. Are all of them your enemies? Are some of them your own peers? Whats the collateral damage of this war? By assessing collateral damage, you come across empathetic to your audience and mature to the ad-com.

There are also several roads that you can take to reach the mountain top(your goal). Some are paths well-treaded, but others are paths that have never been traveled before. Some paths do not even exist. You will have to lay the road and then travel on it. They constitute the choices that were available to you in pursuing your goal. Additionally, you only have a few pennies left over for your journey. Even if you fight off your enemies, you don’t have enough money left to cover your expenses for the trip. So, you make do with what you have. Those are the financial obstacles that you overcame.

Also, think about why you want to reach that mountain-top. What will happen to you and your troops(your company) if you lose this battle. Is all this fighting, the blood-shed worth it? What does this mean for your kingdom(or company)?

Relive the scene and pay attention to every movement, every sound, and every conversation. Note them all. You will have enough stuff to write a solid essay.

All you got to do is put all of this together. How?

Draw the battle-lines, know what's at stake for yourself and your kingdom, line up the props and light up the stadium

My client, X was facing intense competition from emerging competitors such as Y and Z. Having led Company A’s business consulting team at X for more than two years, I knew that X’s ineffective customer service practices were partly caused by its outdated technology infrastructure. Many of X’s problems had remained unsolved because other consultants had advised them that any attempt to resolve these issues would likely be expensive and ineffective. Therefore, I knew I had to build my case carefully before pursuing the business opportunities presented by X’s situation.

Know your friends, know your enemies and evaluate your paths to the mountaintop. Pick one and lead your soldiers. Develop your battle-strategy

After identifying improvement areas, I evaluated each of them based on six criteria: earnings benefit to X, risks if our solution failed, number of employees currently affected by the problem, historic revenue loss and customer attrition, problem complexity, and cost estimates for possible solutions. After brainstorming with colleagues, I concluded that fixing X’s troubled “business-process” process was our best opportunity. The problematic process was labor intensive. Fifteen full-time employees manually performed the process on a daily basis. Errors and omissions resulted, impacting customer satisfaction and increasing costs of correction. Eventually most dissatisfied customers simply switched “service-providers”.

Adapt to new enemies, make some friends along the way and keep that sword swinging…

After observing the processing staff in action and interviewing each member, I had to concede that the previous consultants had been right. Wholesale replacement of the system would be a risky project and a huge expense. So, I had to be creative. I theorized that if a super fast typist could enter data at lightning speeds, then the process would be done much faster. Building on this idea, using available software that could record and replay user keystrokes, I built a script that mimicked the manual process. Then, by gradually reducing the time interval between consecutive keystrokes in the recorded script, I was able to reduce drastically the time taken for executing one transaction. By repeatedly testing and refining my script, I devised a scalable program that could accomplish the daily process in just twenty minutes.

You are at the mountaintop. Reap the rewards. Marry the king’s daughter. But, don't forget to summarize what you learned from this battle.

X leadership was impressed both by the ingenuity of my solution and its potential benefit. After implementation, X's retention rates increased by 5% translating into $5 million in added revenues, $1 million more than the projected savings. Furthermore, my solution saves X more than $2 million annually in labor costs by eliminating the need for the fifteen-member “business-process” team. My actions earned A close to $1 million in revenues and played a significant role in growing A’s 10-member X account into a 100-member multi-million dollar partnership. This experience taught me the value of applying creativity and believing in my ideas even when faced with skepticism and doubt. By constantly seeking new opportunities, I now open doors previously unseen, learn things previously unknown, and achieve things previously unaccomplished.

Hey, now look at your essay. You were able to sum up the business landscape, show your ability to consider options, demonstrate your political savvy, show your creativity, save a ton of money and without a doubt establish that you are more than an IT clone.

Not bad for a Male-Indian-IT. Is it?
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It could always have been worse. I could have been Indian Male AND IT :)


Thank you for the confidence booster :evil:

I believe the drawback is not indian M and IT. It is the lack of everything else except M, Indian, IT that is a problem for this demography.

One reason is that (believe me or not, your choice) the process of getting into good engineering college or landing a good software job was very tough and highly competitive till 3-4 years back, I am not sure about now.

Those who got into IT during that time had not done much other than working towards getting a job till then, and did nothing afterwards thanks to the overextended hours in IT jobs.

There is always a possibility of rethinking about what one really wants to do and mention that as career goals in ones app. Now another issue is that most of the people applying have goals similar to those of investment bankers and engineers from every other part of the world. that leaves M Indian IT with least advantage.
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I am not really concerned about the number of people applying from the Indian Male IT pool. The problem really is the deep rooted perceptions what we have to fight day in and day out. Most people outside have no clue what Indian consulting companies do on a daily basis and how much thought/leadership is needed to do well in our jobs. People generally refuse to believe that we are capable leaders. It is this ignorance and arrogance that affects our chances.

Even on this forum, the number of misconceptions about indian IT folks is incredible.

One member posted how elite consultants never visit this forum and went on to qualify that people from Indian IT companies are not "true" consultants. And by the way, how does anyone define a "true" consultant.

Another member once posted "unless you are an Indian IT consultant earning $2000 a month, you should buy something else...". Are people stupid enough to believe that we earn only $2000 per month?

I could go on and on.

I am willing to give the forum members here the benefit of the doubt and believe that such statements are merely a reflection of their ignorance and not their arrogance. But, what about those high faluting consultants who get paid $200 an hour. One guy told me that I have a may-be chance at some NEF school and not a school higher. Apparently, leading teams for an Indian based consulting company is not "true" leadership. Sure, there are many great NEF schools, but the way he passed over my accomplishments, purely based on his own opinions about the Indian IT demographic, was incredibly stupid. Anyway, I can only fault myself for asking outsiders about my chances.

Guys, the only constructive way to fight all this is by writing concise, thoughtful essays that truly reflect who we are. By doing that, we make it difficult for schools to reject us. Dont worry if you havent saved a drowning child or climbed the Everest. In reality, less than 1% of applicants do these things.

We will all make it to a school that we deserve. :)
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I am willing to give the forum members here the benefit of the doubt and believe that such statements are merely a reflection of their ignorance and not their arrogance. But, what about those high faluting consultants who get paid $200 an hour. One guy told me that I have a may-be chance at some NEF school and not a school higher. Apparently, leading teams for an Indian based consulting company is not "true" leadership. Sure, there are many great NEF schools, but the way he passed over my accomplishments, purely based on his own opinions about the Indian IT demographic, was incredibly stupid. Anyway, I can only fault myself for asking outsiders about my chances.



ncprasad,

Paul Bodine strongly recommended me NOT to apply to Kellogg because my extracurriculars were not strong enough. I think everyone should take advice from any expert with a grain of salt. To your point, well-written essays will show how multi-dimensional a candidate is, increasing the chances of "over-represented demographics" or applicants with weaknesses in one area or another.
Look at me! Three months later, I am accepted to ... Kellogg :-D


I back up what nervous said, I come from a no name undergrad, dont work for a blue chip company or anything like that. Dont let people talk you out of taking a chance at a top school.

HOWEVER, be realistic...to many people apply to only the very top schools and are surprised when they dont get in. Its the luck of the draw for half the people that get into these schools. Spread your applications out across a variety of schools. Pick a couple UE and E schools, then a backup school. Be prepared to apply to 5-6 schools. Start with your hardest schools first since R1 is going to be the easiest. I think your best applications will be in R1 because you wont be burned out.

This thread isn't really doing anyone any good. NC, I dont think that people (consultants or otherwise) feel that Indians' leadership is not true leadership or that an Indian Consultant is not a real consultant because they work in India...this is not what causes people to say Indians have less of a chance. Its that there are a lot of people that have similar backgrounds, so its harder to set themselves apart. Plenty of Indians get in, they just happen to work for a name brand, have extremely impressive examples of leadership, and are going to be at a higher level. Its the same thing as bankers...HBS is going to take the VP from Goldman over the analyst from some unknown bank.
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Holy Crap this thread is sobering.. Here I had grand visions of doing something in Fall 2009, with what I thought was a decent GMAT score .

I graduated out of a non-IIT school, - Ditto
MS in EE. - Ditto
I work in IC design. (kinda off beat I guess) - Ditto
GMAT 730 (I got a 45 in quants!) - Ditto w/different breakup
Got myself up the ladder in my group but nothing extraordinary. - I think I've had good progress but I've worked for 7+ years.


daszero: Our profiles are pretty similar. Given the sheer number of Indian applicants, I am sure we'll find a many more HW engrs. That shouldn't dishearten you, these stats are just a part of the application.

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By the looks of it, I have next to zero chance on getting into a top5 school !!. This blows. Maybe should retake the GMAT?
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2007, 11:24
I dont think there are any Indian admits here, except svrider for the 1 year program at Cornell. Most desis who have been admitted so far are US/Canadian - Indian folks who dont fall under the "International" pool.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2007, 11:26
Quite a few (I am counting Indian Americans in the mix too). I think that if we can keep this thread alive till the end of the app season, we'll get to see some very interesting results about Indian applicants from various backgrounds and their successes in various schools.

EDIT: Sorry, after seeing prasad's reply, I understand that we are talking about Indian citizens only. In that case, I don't know if anyone got an admit yet. I am sure some will get admits (Hopefully including me) by the end of R2. In fact I am still keeping my hopes alive for my Columbia application (I should get a result around 9th Jan).

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 [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2007, 11:27
I have spoken to some of my friends who had applied to W/Chic in R1. They all have pretty impressive profiles- and surprisingly, most of them have been WLed at both the places. Its almost as if all schools decided to filter out the weaker candidates and evaluate the rest of the desi's together with R2. In a way, it does not seem that there is any difference to a desi whether he applied in R1 or R2.

I am just surprised to see not one Indian born desi, Indian citizen desi get admitted into Chic or W.
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In fact I am still keeping my hopes alive for my Columbia application (I should get a result around 9th Jan).


Good luck Mneo - I hope that you will be the first entry in the admit list ...

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 [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2007, 11:35
mNeo, I think we should keep out Indian American etc out of this analysis. These folks fall under the US citizen pool and not under the International pool. The admit rates are definitely different.

I am very keen to see how many Indian citizens(with no GC/dual citizenship) get into the UE/elite schools. In fact, I have never seen anyone from GMAT club who meets this criterion get into a UE.

Hmm, Should have thought about this before applying to HBS and MIT.

mNeo wrote:
Quite a few (I am counting Indian Americans in the mix too). I think that if we can keep this thread alive till the end of the app season, we'll get to see some very interesting results about Indian applicants from various backgrounds and their successes in various schools.


EDIT:I see that mNeo has edited his post. Still, I will leave my response as it is for reference purposes.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2007, 11:50
Great point pc..but I was going through last years posts and I dont think there were many Desi's on this forum. Necromonger (?) was probably one of the few active members here who was desi (and he is in at INSEAD). So this year, we see a lot more desi's, so we might start the trend of getting admitted into UE/E :)

Just to give you an idea of the situation at my end- the company I used to work for before is a great feeder to GSB- it takes in about 5 students every year from there (and mostly desi's). I know a bunch of my friends who are applying in R2 but a couple of them applied in R1 as well. We were wondering if them getting admitted would mean lesser chances for us.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2007, 12:02
Not even one ( barring the cornell TMO ) so far

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 [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2007, 21:48
Yes its a bad situation as far as Indian applicants are concerned. More Indians are applying directly from India in the last few years. I know a few Indians, who converted to Singapore citizenship got admissions in UE schools. dosa and prasad, I hope Ross gives us some love.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2007, 00:32
c'mon everyone, and THIS IS GMAT-CLUB!!! :P

We will get our desi brothers (and sisters) into the UE/Es this year in droves! :twisted:
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 [#permalink] New post 22 Dec 2007, 10:16
BW posted quite a few Indian admits into Tuck.. no love for one of us though
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