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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.
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31 Jul 2008, 18:35
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.

IMO A)

B) does not affect argument
C) does not weaken or strengthen argument
D) makes argument stronger
E) has no relation
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.

IMO A)

B) does not affect argument
C) does not weaken or strengthen argument
D) makes argument stronger
E) has no relation

Why do u think A is a flaw when it says investing during war leads to increased productivity?Again the argument is about profits expected from investment and how does this option affect the same.
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.

IMO A)

B) does not affect argument
C) does not weaken or strengthen argument
D) makes argument stronger
E) has no relation

Why do u think A is a flaw when it says investing during war leads to increased productivity?Again the argument is about profits expected from investment and how does this option affect the same.

A) says "significant rise in productivity" which leads to increase in profits.
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.

B - if the expenses of the war are borne by others, industrialists are set to gain $4 billion dollars. This shows a flaw in the argument. VP Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 1397 Followers: 8 Kudos [?]: 286 [1] , given: 0 Re: Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of [#permalink] ### Show Tags 02 Aug 2008, 09:11 1 This post received KUDOS sanjay_gmat wrote: spriya wrote: Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars. Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above? (A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia. (B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits. (C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war. (D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war. (E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war. B - if the expenses of the war are borne by others, industrialists are set to gain$4 billion dollars. This shows a flaw in the argument.

Here this sounds correct since the main purpose of the argument is based on gaining profit when that is itself attacked in (B) ,it becomes flaw

Rest regarding (A) ,rise in productivity does not say increase in profit until and unless mentioned explicitly.
(B) is better hence .

OA is B
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Industrialists of country D were accused of promoting country D's intervention in the war.
The next statement directly says - this cannot be true because overall profit was $4bn whereas federal expenses were$8bn.
The implicit assumption of the second sentence is that industry had to pay for the war expenses. .
Read the argument carefully, no such thing has been explicitly said.

Now, if the industry was not supposed to pay for the war expenses, why on earth would they be bothered about how much expense the govt will have to bear.
this is exactly what choice B says.
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I am confused by this questions....Is there an official explanation?
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The answer is B here .

Argument : Industrialists backed their nation's intervention in war to promote their business interests.

Counter Argument : This was not possible because , the war cost 8 billion whereas the profit was 4 billion only .

The flaw is that the argument assumes that those industralists who promote the war are the ones who bear the cost of war. Hence it is trying to direclty correlate between the war cost and business profit .

We will have to prove that the industralists who profited are not the ones who contributed to the war cost and the relevance is not there . B says that precisely.
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Yes this type of questions are confusing.. but OA is correct...
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This question is very confusing...
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IMO B....

finding assumption is the key here.......
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This question is really really confusing ... is there an official explanation??
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This is an excellent question.
It is a combo of find the assumption and then find the flaw question.
The correct solution to this question will be very satisfying to the test taker.

Lets quickly break the question stem in premise and conclusion

Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars in intervention. (Federal means government.)
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

This looks like a very cogent and strong argument. Why it is so strong:- because the argument is assuming that all 8 billion was invested by industrialist
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion was invested by the industrialist.

See it yourself by rereading the argument again this time with the ASSUMPTION
Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars as expenses for the intervention.
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion expense was borne by the industrialist.
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

Now we have found the ASSUMPTION.
And now we will find the flaw.
What if Industrialist gave only 1 billion and got 4 billion in return. Then it will mean Industrialist's motive was to make profit.

What option proves that Industrialist invested less and made more money and that was Industrialist main Aim. --- to make profit.
(B) The largest proportion of federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.

Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.
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This is an excellent question.
It is a combo of find the assumption and then find the flaw question.
The correct solution to this question will be very satisfying to the test taker.

Lets quickly break the question stem in premise and conclusion

Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars in intervention. (Federal means government.)
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

This looks like a very cogent and strong argument. Why it is so strong:- because the argument is assuming that all 8 billion was invested by industrialist
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion was invested by the industrialist.

See it yourself by rereading the argument again this time with the ASSUMPTION
Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars as expenses for the intervention.
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion expense was borne by the industrialist.
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

Now we have found the ASSUMPTION.
And now we will find the flaw.
What if Industrialist gave only 1 billion and got 4 billion in return. Then it will mean Industrialist's motive was to make profit.

What option proves that Industrialist invested less and made more money and that was Industrialist main Aim. --- to make profit.
(B) The largest proportion of federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.

Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.

Hi
something that hangs me down on this question is the relation $8 Billion expenses or cost of the war and than says Profit for the industrials, and as we know Profit = Revenue - Cost, so I assume Revenue is 8 billion - Cost for the industrials to produce product or service$4 billion = Profit from the stem $Billion. So do we need to look for the weekener here in this part. but in that case the assumption to hold the conclusion ts that teh profit shoud have been higher than$ 4 billiion or more than 50% of the revenue. but because these industrials made only 4 $billion they are not supporting the war, and that would be that these industrials did not make substantial profits so they are not motivated to support the war. So if my reasoning is correct than we need to disprove that in fact there was a motive and that 50 % or less profit margins is significant or something along those line? or? show that even small not significant profit would be a good motive to support the war? and than B comes saying that most of the invollved businiess enteties who take part of the war business do not inccure high profit but they are still in war business. which means that thay are in teh game even for small profit would support the war. is that what B trying to convey? any thought, what you think? Verbal Expert Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 1951 Location: Germany Schools: HHL Leipzig GMAT 1: 780 Q50 V47 Followers: 300 Kudos [?]: 1247 [0], given: 20 Re: Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of [#permalink] ### Show Tags 18 Sep 2016, 13:25 kzivrev wrote: LogicGuru1 wrote: This is an excellent question. It is a combo of find the assumption and then find the flaw question. The correct solution to this question will be very satisfying to the test taker. Lets quickly break the question stem in premise and conclusion Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars in intervention. (Federal means government.) Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM This looks like a very cogent and strong argument. Why it is so strong:- because the argument is assuming that all 8 billion was invested by industrialist Assumption):- Entire 8 billion was invested by the industrialist. See it yourself by rereading the argument again this time with the ASSUMPTION Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars as expenses for the intervention. Assumption):- Entire 8 billion expense was borne by the industrialist. Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM Now we have found the ASSUMPTION. And now we will find the flaw. What if Industrialist gave only 1 billion and got 4 billion in return. Then it will mean Industrialist's motive was to make profit. What option proves that Industrialist invested less and made more money and that was Industrialist main Aim. --- to make profit. (B) The largest proportion of federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits. CORRECT ANSWER IS B Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars. Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above? (A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia. (B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits. (C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war. (D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war. (E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war. Hi something that hangs me down on this question is the relation$8 Billion expenses or cost of the war and than says Profit for the industrials, and as we know Profit = Revenue - Cost, so I assume Revenue is 8 billion - Cost for the industrials to produce product or service $4 billion = Profit from the stem$ Billion. So do we need to look for the weekener here in this part. but in that case the assumption to hold the conclusion ts that teh profit shoud have been higher than $4 billiion or more than 50% of the revenue. but because these industrials made only 4$ billion they are not supporting the war, and that would be that these industrials did not make substantial profits so they are not motivated to support the war. So if my reasoning is correct than we need to disprove that in fact there was a motive and that 50 % or less profit margins is significant or something along those line? or? show that even small not significant profit would be a good motive to support the war? and than B comes saying that most of the invollved businiess enteties who take part of the war business do not inccure high profit but they are still in war business. which means that thay are in teh game even for small profit would support the war. is that what B trying to convey?

any thought, what you think?

The author claims that Distopian federal spends $8 billions for the war ( cash out flow =$8 billion) and the profit of the industrialists is $4 billions ( cash inflow =$ 4 billion). The net cash outflow for Distopians is therefore $4 billion. Hence the war is not beneficial for Distopia. ( The revenue and cost for the industrialists do not matter because their net profit is given - you may take this way: net loss for the federal =$ 8 billion, net profit for the industrialists = $4 billion, hence overall net loss =$ 4 billion).

The above point of the author is challenged by stating that industrialists do not lose much because of federal expense and they have no incentive to save the federal expense- the profit they make from the war outweighs the losses they make by federal expenses. Thus it may be valid that they promote the civil war for their benefit.
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