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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 13:05
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ps does anyone know when R1 deposit is due? perhaps around end of June/early July?


Exact date appears to be 25th June. Just checked with one of the admits.

The only thing I have been told you can really do to get off the wait-list (other than hope for ppl to drop out, like JZ says) is to notify the adcom if you are now a very different candidate because you've added several things to your profile. E.g. are now now the global lead for xyz in your company? are you now an expat in another country? Have you mastered a fifth language? It has to be something that ratchets us up from a "good enough" to a "much better". In other words, if you were putting off any big moves in your career or life b/c of insead, take them. They might just be the thing that makes the adcom realize you're still going places. And even if you don't make it in, at least you don't feel like you've waited 6 months for insead to tell you that you're rejected.

As for me, I'll probably start making my moves in early July. Sept 3 (R2 final decision) is way too far into the future for me. Moves might include taking on more responsibilities at work and applying to other b-schools, while staying on the insead waitlist. Should I apply again to insead, I want to at least be able to put in my reapplication essay that I have more to bring to the table than when I applied last time.


Great post HankScorpio. I am no expert nor do I have 'waitlist-experience', but honestly, this is the best piece of advice you'll get on any of the MBA forums.

You have been waitlisted, and chances to get accepted given the sheer size of the waitlist (I've seen at least 15 waitlisters around on this and other forums, but no or very little dings ...) are slim. You'll either have to be very lucky that the people with the right profile don't accept INSEAD's offer, or do some really impressive stuff over the next months to improve your application.

That being said, it's not a bad time to get waitlisted - still quite some time to improve your profile and work on your applications for the first round of the fall 2011 intakes of the US schools. Obviously, whatever impressive stuff you pull off will significantly improve your chances at other schools as well. And think about your application - what do you think made you get WLed? Could you have written better essays? No clear career goals? That damn GMAT that was too low after all? Chose the wrong topics for your essays? Crappy interviews? I'm sure most of you know what areas you can improve, without the help of some consultant. If you absolutely must, and although I'm no fan of consultants, there's always the option to have one evaluate your application.

You are all very talented people that can make it into a top b-school. Worst thing you can do, is count on still getting an offer from INSEAD. Move on, apply to other schools, work like crazy at work to get some promotion, improve that GMAT, take up some leadership role, ... if you want to make it into a top b-school, work for it. As HankScorpio said, last thing you want to do, is wait and do nothing for 6 months. Don't make the mistake to count on still getting into INSEAD - As hard as it sounds and as much as I wish you would all make it in, your chances for the jan 2011 intake are pretty small. If you don't make, at least you'll have other options available to you. If it still happens and you get in, amazing - great job. Maybe you'll even chose to pursue another professional option by that time, or pick another school.

All the best to all of you.
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 13:20
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HankScorpio, JZHANG and Suker, you guys are rockstars! Completely agree with your thoughts.

I came across the following link from a "successful" INSEAD waitlister:

http://marksmatthews.mbablogs.businessw ... kuo7ob3a4z

It's clear that there's no formula to come off this list; the best one could do is to remain sane and explore other possibilities.

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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 13:52
Suker - Thanks for your thoughts... congrats on your HBS admit, and good luck on your quest to rule the world. ;)

SH and JZ - this is great stuff that we're sharing. I'm glad to see we're spinning this in the right way. It's definitely some reality checking at this point. But at least it affirms that we were good enough and top euro school material.

I am starting to get my plan B and plan C lined up - planted some seeds... I just need to water them and tend them with care. It's just too bad I couldn't put my plan A.1 and A.2 in place that would have financed school.

Speaking of next steps, any thoughts on schools I should consider out there? Naturally, I'm considering LBS. What are ppls' thoughts on the other Elite international schools?

Oxford (Said)
Cambridge (Judge)
HEC Paris
IMD
IESE

The reason why I'm asking you all is that many of you probably considered these schools, and fell in love with the idea of going to INSEAD for a lot of similar reasons as myself. Do HEC and IESE teach in English? Does the Oxbridge brand name carry any weight?
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 21:39
Hi HS,
just my thoughts about these schools:

IMD - of course elite, but chances are slim given the size of the class
HEC - not elite at all (just my perception based on the communication with some alums)
IESE - good school, but I'm afraid that Spain will soon be at the same place where Greece is
Oxford, Cambridge - I'd explore them in more detail as I think they are quite good schools to be at
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 22:10
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Suker - Thanks for your thoughts... congrats on your HBS admit, and good luck on your quest to rule the world. ;)

SH and JZ - this is great stuff that we're sharing. I'm glad to see we're spinning this in the right way. It's definitely some reality checking at this point. But at least it affirms that we were good enough and top euro school material.

I am starting to get my plan B and plan C lined up - planted some seeds... I just need to water them and tend them with care. It's just too bad I couldn't put my plan A.1 and A.2 in place that would have financed school.

Speaking of next steps, any thoughts on schools I should consider out there? Naturally, I'm considering LBS. What are ppls' thoughts on the other Elite international schools?

Oxford (Said)
Cambridge (Judge)
HEC Paris
IMD
IESE

The reason why I'm asking you all is that many of you probably considered these schools, and fell in love with the idea of going to INSEAD for a lot of similar reasons as myself. Do HEC and IESE teach in English? Does the Oxbridge brand name carry any weight?


Kudos to all of you for your attitude in this thread and positive constructive mindset.

IMD is probably by far the most difficult to get in. They typically look for 30+ with quite some management experience. Unless you fit in that category, I'd go for Oxford, Cambridge and IESE, with a preference for Oxford / Cambridge. Only reason why I'd pick IESE over those, is if I would want to work in Spain. Then it's a no brainer. :-)
HEC is less strong than the other schools in my opinion, and has little brand value outside of France, while Oxford and Cambridge obviously do.

Why do you only consider non-US schools by the way?
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 22:34
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Why do you only consider non-US schools by the way?


Thanks for your constructive thoughts. I am very much interested in 1 year to 16 month programs. IMD is a draw since I already have pretty strong managerial experience ... I think if I make one more promotion at work, I'll probably swing for IMD. As for why not US schools, I don't have a strong interest to work in the US - I am looking to "round" myself out by spending time in another country with more people from other nationalities. I want to pick up another language or strengthen one of my existing ones. And I want to appreciate more international cuisine. :) I did consider H/S/W, and given my age (30) and my profile, H and S were close to out of the question. I think W is within grasp, but Philly is a pretty dead city from what I have been reading. I'm heading out there for a very short project in a few weeks, and I think that's about all my wife will be able to stand, let alone 2 years. It's kind of sad when the best shopping the city has to offer is a Macy's, and the best attraction is Al Capone's jail cell.

So, in summary, euro MBA = gets me closer to my life goals, makes me a more interesting person, and my wife will have a lot more to do.
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 30 May 2010, 23:48
Hi all,

Just checking in with you guys, did you get a confirmation email from your co-ordinator confirming reciept of your decision to stay on (or off) the waitlist?

If you did, did they mention the date which you'd be considered until? Mine wrote to me saying I'd be considered until the start of class which was on 30th August.

That sounds to me like they mixed me in with the 2010 intake... anyone else recieve something along similar lines?
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 31 May 2010, 00:12
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Hi HS,
just my thoughts about these schools:

IMD - of course elite, but chances are slim given the size of the class
HEC - not elite at all (just my perception based on the communication with some alums)
IESE - good school, but I'm afraid that Spain will soon be at the same place where Greece is
Oxford, Cambridge - I'd explore them in more detail as I think they are quite good schools to be at


My 2Cs on these lines...HEC is definitely a 'No' for me atleast. I applied there in R4 (which coincided with R1 of INSEAD) and was rejected w/o an interview (probably with my profile, R4 was too late to apply). Furthermore, the quality of communication from the school was substandard and I know of an alumnus who didn't give a rosy picture of this school.

Oxbridge will be something I'm looking forward to because of the strong Consulting focus there. Not so sure of applying to LBS/IMD because of the tough entry criteria (another ding/WL will break my resolve :shock: :roll: ).

Apart from all these, I'm gonna try for ISB in India. Although not as big a brand as many of the European schools, it does carry a good weight in India, which in a longer term is the place where I want to settle. The only problem here's my GMAT score.

I came across a couple of names in Spain too. However, I'm not so convinced about applying there because of the current economic downturn. I need some more inputs about IESE et al.

So the bottomline is that this time I really need to be sure that I'm gonna start my MBA sometimes in 2011. Otherwise, it will almost be an end of road for me.

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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 31 May 2010, 01:01
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Hi all,

Just checking in with you guys, did you get a confirmation email from your co-ordinator confirming reciept of your decision to stay on (or off) the waitlist?

If you did, did they mention the date which you'd be considered until? Mine wrote to me saying I'd be considered until the start of class which was on 30th August.

That sounds to me like they mixed me in with the 2010 intake... anyone else recieve something along similar lines?


crezence, i got the same email as well with the same date. am gonna ask for a verification for the same, seems like the adcom has mixed the applications up. initially, i thought this mite mean the WL decision could be mixed up as well, but when i think about it logically, i doubt it. must be more of a case of sending the wrong email. let me know what reply u get from them.

to the rest of the folks - good to see we are beginning to pick ourselves and start looking ahead. in addition to the schools listed by HS, there r some 1 yr programs in NAM that might be interesting for some.

cornell has a 1yr accelerated mba for those who already have a masters degree (technical)

couple of schools in canada - ivey n queens, both have good brand recall in NAM, plus ivey is considered big in HK as well.

kelloggs has a 1yr program too - but they want u to gather a certain number of credits before u enroll. mite be tough for some to do so.


i am also keen on the 12 months programs, that pretty much rules out most of the US schools. i cannot afford LBS, cos of the longer program duration and the associated living expenses in london.
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 31 May 2010, 12:07
Crezence, wingman,

My confirmation for the waitlist noted Jan 10th. These people are probably using a copy/paste form letter and probably opened the wrong form when sending your email out. Probably a common enough mistake given the overlap between R4 J11 and R1 D11.

I've considered the Canadian schools, since I live right near them. Ivey is pretty solid locally, don't know how it's viewed internationally beyond HK. It is one of the feeder schools for the Canadian M/B/B practices.
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2010, 12:50
Hey everyone. I hope you all had a great weekend. I took the weekend off and did nothing but relaxed. I watched some trashy reality TV shows and my brain appreciated the break.

Hank-out of the programs that you mentioned, I've considered HEC. I didn't consider any programs in Spain because I don't speak Spanish and don't intend to work in South America or Spain post grad. I didn't consider oxford or cambridge either- maybe I should look into them. I decided to no appply to HEC since I got the impression that its MBA program is not its strongest. I think HEC is well ranked because it has a very solid undergrad business program. I also didn't choose HEC because of the overall feel of it. I visited the campus last Oct and I felt it was very dumpy - in comparison to that of INSEAD or IMD. I know it is not a good reason to not select a school based on the campus but if I have to be studying there for 16 months, I better like my surroundings.

Anyway, let's hang in there. I think after R1 deposit deadline passes, there should be some movement to the waitlist....
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2010, 12:51
Credenze - any news from IMD? Good luck! :0)
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2010, 21:35
Thanks JZhang! Should know sometime this week... the wait is even worse than last week!
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2010, 02:09
For your information, I asked my coordinator and interviewers for feedback, and these are the answers I got:

- coordinator: no feedback, but if you want to add something to your file, send it.
- interviewer 1: quota problem, hang in there!
- interviewer 2: he had been waitlisted and had to start all over again the following year, but same reaction: add updates to your profile if you think it will help...

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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2010, 02:23
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For your information, I asked my coordinator and interviewers for feedback, and these are the answers I got:

- coordinator: no feedback, but if you want to add something to your file, send it.
- interviewer 1: quota problem, hang in there!
- interviewer 2: he had been waitlisted and had to start all over again the following year, but same reaction: add updates to your profile if you think it will help...

Hope that helps!


similar feedback from my coordinator. if there is any update, send in. non-committal on any other points. from the last couple of intake posts, there were some who stayed on till R3 deadlines and then opted out to reapply for the next intake. in some cases the school offered candidates the option to re-apply when they took them off the waitlist...
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2010, 05:40
Here is some info from a blog of Russian guy waitlisted in 2008 and got some info about it from AdCom

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1. INSEAD waitlist is short, comparatively speaking; it won't change much as it depends also on the number of admitted people accepting offers.
2. Behavior, that takes away from WL applicant’s chances - overly frequent and uninformative contact that doesn't add value to your application.
3. Good news: INSEAD don't rank the waitlist as such, but do review the waitlist periodically and only keep candidates on the waitlist who have a chance of being confirmed.
4. The waitlist is used to manage diversity. Diversity is not only a question of nationality but also of gender, professional experience, educational background, etc.
5. Letters of support from INSEAD students and alumni are well accepted, but if they only add additional dimension to the file, no need for additional data if it is just repetitions of info we have already.
6. GMAT score of those, who are already accepted: 600 - 780, Age: 23-28 (hmmmm ....)
7. And some more statistics: INSEAD has made less than 5 offers for those in waitlist by March 19, 2008.

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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2010, 06:37
Less than 5 offers seems scary. There are atleast 10 candidates on WL on this board I would assume that there would be atleast 50 WLed in R1. % of WLs converted into admits seems very low < 10%.
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2010, 08:01
After thinking about this for a while.. I'm gonna withdraw from the waitlist. Goodluck!
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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2010, 08:30
Good morning, everyone!

Credenze - hang in there! The wait is tough but you are almost there! :0)

Dronap - thanks for digging up the info. Interestingly one of the admits from J 11 class who was waitlisted in R2 said that he/she didn't do anything special to get off of the list. So yeah, i think we can all expect that luck will play the biggest role in us moving off the waitlist.

Artgirl- I think you are very right in concluding that the chance to get off of the waitlist is slim but it is there. So I guess we can prepare for the worst but hope for the best right?

GoBruins - sad to hear that you will drop off, what is your plan B? Will you apply again next year?

Everyone, I am in a really chipper mood today cuz it's my birthday. :0) It has been really cool getting to know you guys on this forum. Let's hang in there. Hoepfully a few of us will get to go to INSEAD. And the rest of us can rely on each other's support in deciding which plan b to pursue.

Thanks for all of your input and support. I don't know how I would have managed being on the wait-list without our little community!

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Re: INSEAD - Dec '11 waitlist [#permalink] New post 02 Jun 2010, 11:01
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Everyone, I am in a really chipper mood today cuz it's my birthday. :0)


Happy B-day! I hope you'll get a nice present, like a phone call... :lol:
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