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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2008, 16:40
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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska (were isolated from contact with Europeans).

When should be use verb as is used in 'D' and when we can omit the verb as is done in 'B'. Please give your insight.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2008, 20:57
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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

The first thing which should be on mind when we find out any
any comparison is that both comparators should be equal. Here "X than Y", so X=Y.
"Inuits were isolated" cannot be equal to "Inuits of NP". And if we do so we are comparing
an action ( being isolated ) with directly a noun. Which can never make sense. We have to compare actions here. Hence "than WERE .... " is needed to show that we are comparing the isolation factor for both Inuits.
Anyway, I saw one more interesting point in this Q. How to choose between "C" and "D". I really hate to get an answer -- "It is idiomatic!". I think idioms are goodie packs for native english speakers. Anyways. I think "in isolation from" is not idiomatic. I will love to see some grammatical explanation for the same.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2008, 12:14
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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska (were isolated from contact with Europeans).

When should be use verb as is used in 'D' and when we can omit the verb as is done in 'B'. Please give your insight.


Its basically parallel comparision...Inuits of the Bering Sea were has to be in parallel with anything that comes after euporeans ..Than were Aleuts...does this job better than B
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 16 Dec 2009, 21:41
hi everyone.
That is the question that kills me.

Here is my question between C and D. Please gurus!! help me to catch it.

435. Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

why C is not better:
1) were isolated changes the meaning. The sentence receive the inflection of action. Look's like someone isolated it, rather than it was an usual juncture of events.
2) in isolation from X is quite idiomatic. FE considered in isolation from its context (from OxfordAmericanDictionary )
3) c is active, d is passive!!!

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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 17 Dec 2009, 14:53
just like ayrish says, I thought the answer to this one is C. Guess I went through this question earlier too while solving OG or verbal review.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2009, 07:44
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just like ayrish says, I thought the answer to this one is C. Guess I went through this question earlier too while solving OG or verbal review.


Hi prepfg.
so, have you seen the Of.expl.? If yes please help me to find it. I need to catch this q. I googled the internet, but notihg on the other sites too. (((
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2009, 07:14
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Ayrish,

This Q is in the verbal review #106, and verbal review 2nd edition# 103.
I was wrong on this one. The correct answer is D and explaination is given on page#303. Reason for the error is given as "Idiom +logical predication". Construction "in isolation from" is awkward.
so, between B and D,
B--means that inuits of Bering Sea were isolated from Europeans longer than they were isolated from Aleuts.
D--means that Inuits of Bering Sea were isolated from Europeans for a longer time than the time period that Aleuts were isolated from Europeans.
Hope this makes it clear and Thank you as I got to learn from this query too.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2009, 12:16
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The problem with option B is that it's ambiguous. Whenever you have two options in a comparison in which the difference is a helping verb think of ambiguity

B contains two possible interpretations

(1) Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than [from] Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
Incorrect intended meaning

(2) Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than [were] Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska

correct meaning

Since there is an ambiguity the helping verb is necessary

Normally if you have Sub + verb + obj or prep phrase + comparison + object
you may have this kind of ambiguity and you need the helping verb to solve it.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2009, 00:25
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than - As if from contact with Europeans who were longer than Inuits (comparing Inuits with Europeans)

(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were - (comparing Inuits of Bering Sea with Inuits of North Pacific and northern Alaska )
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2009, 23:10
imo D;
although must admit; were at the end throws you off a bit;
urchin has nicely pointed out.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 04 May 2011, 19:57
D is correct , whenever there is difference of little word in two best choices , identify whether little word is changing the meaning if so option with little word is better choice in the most of the cases
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 04 May 2011, 21:08
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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska (were isolated from contact with Europeans).

When should be use verb as is used in 'D' and when we can omit the verb as is done in 'B'. Please give your insight.


Lets rephrase it to make it simple:

X was in isloation from Y longer than Z of North Pacific.

What we want to convey is the following ides:

X was isolated from Y longer than X was isolated from Z of North Pacific.

Which can be written as:

X was isolated from Y longer than was Z of North Pacific.

So we we revert back the answer should be like:
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.

So D should be correct.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 05 May 2011, 00:31
than were is essential. So C and D.
isolated is preferred over in isolation from contact.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 05 May 2011, 00:39
B is ambiguous about whom they were isolated from - eurpoeans or Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
C is not the prefereed form of teh idiom - isolated from is better than in isolation from.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2011, 21:49
Guys i need to discuss Option C as explanation given in OG Verbal Review 2nd edition

Option C::::Explanation says if we don't use were after than it ill mean like

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from the contact with Europeans longer
THAN
Inuits of the Bering Sea from Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific & Northern Alaska.

But when we ill use were after than

Option D :::Meaning ill be

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from the contact with Europeans longer
THAN
were Aleuts or Inuits of the north Pacific & Northern Alaska.

My question is how ill be come to know that we have to check comparison mentioned in Option D but not the comparison mentioned in Option C

Pls comment

I think as Idiom is X than Y and X and Y are two parallel Structure so we need y having same logical structure as X
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 10:50
Hi,
Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 11:41
A, C and E does not have verb....between B and D... having were in the make the comparison clear... so it should D.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 22:14
Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
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Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 22:21
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Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
Hi,
Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?



This is an official question, everything is correct! The above sentence is perfect.

Where you place the ausiliar verb ("were") does not matter, both sentences are correct and mean the same thing.

The expantion of D is:

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were <isolated from Europeans> Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

If you have a specific doubt about D, please post it, but keep in mind that the your two examples mean the same thing.
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Re: Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 22:33
Hi, Zarrolou.

Yes, both the sentences posted by me are one and the same. What I am not understanding is the literal expansion of the answer doesnt seem to be make a meaningful sentence. So, are there any assumptions to be made to make a meaningful sentence out of the given answer.
Below sentence from you doesnt make meaningful sentence to me.
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were isolated from Europeans Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

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