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Is |2a – b| < 7? [#permalink] New post 02 Dec 2011, 05:22
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Is |2a – b| < 7?

(1) 2a – b < 7
(2) a = b + 3

Guyz, I can't agree with official answer. What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: from online Manhattan drill [#permalink] New post 03 Dec 2011, 04:01
What was your answer, and why?

I get E.

From 1:
2a – b < 7 AND |2a – b| < 7 WHERE 2a -b > -7
2a – b < 7 BUT |2a – b| > 7 WHERE 2a -b < -7
INSUFFICIENT

to confirm this you can find values of a & b that satisfy the condition 2a – b < 7 but provide different answers for |2a – b| < 7 ?
A: a = 3, b = 0
2a - b = 6 - 0 = 6
6 < 7 and |6| < 7
B: a = -10, b = 1
2a - b = -20 - 1 = -21
-21 < 7 but |-21| > 7

From 2 you can refactor the original question:
Is |2(b + 3) - b| < 7? => is |b + 6| < 7?
This is true for -13 < b < 1 but false for value outside of this range.
Again INSUFFICIENT.

Together, we can further combine in a similar manner as above to see that
b + 6 < 7 so we find that b < 1, but we still don't know if b > -13.

So together is INSUFFICIENT.

Again, to see that this is the case, you can substitute numbers that satisfy both 1 & 2, but give different answers to the main question:

A: a = 3, b = 0
2a – b < 7 : 2a - b = 6 - 0 = 6 < 7
a = b + 3 : 3 = 0 + 3
|2a – b| < 7 ? : |6| < 7 TRUE

B: a = -20, b = -17
2a – b < 7 : 2a - b = -40 - (-17) = -23 < 7
a = b + 3 : -20 = -17 + 3
|2a – b| < 7 ? : |-23| < 7 FALSE
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Re: from online Manhattan drill [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2011, 04:45
I ended up with C though.When you combined both statements. the statement is true
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Re: from online Manhattan drill [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2011, 13:00
Can you see from my explanation above that when you combine both statementsiit is true for some values (a=3, b=0), but not all values (a=-20, b=-17)?

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Re: Is |2a – b| < 7? [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2014, 06:05
Is Is |2a – b| < 7?

Statement 1

Clearly insufficient we need to know if 2a>b for this to be true

Statement 2

Here we have that a=b+3

But still nothing useful up to this point

Both together

Here's were the magic happens. 2a = 2b+6

So we need to know is 2a>b, is 2b+6>b? Is b>-6? We don't have information to answer this question so clearly answer will be E

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Re: Is |2a – b| < 7? [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2014, 02:50
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Is |2a – b| < 7?

(1) 2a – b < 7
(2) a = b + 3

Guyz, I can't agree with official answer. What are your thoughts on this?



Hi Bunnel,

Could you please provide your comments on this. I am using following logic

is |2a-b| <7

is -7<2a-b<7

here in st1 2a-b <7 but we dont know lower limit of 2a-b so clearly not sufficient.

in St2 a= b+3 . ( nothing new information)

I want to know how to combine both the statement and proceed further?

Thanks
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Re: Is |2a – b| < 7? [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2014, 11:55
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Is |2a – b| < 7?

(1) 2a – b < 7
(2) a = b + 3

Guyz, I can't agree with official answer. What are your thoughts on this?



Hi Bunnel,

Could you please provide your comments on this. I am using following logic

is |2a-b| <7

is -7<2a-b<7

here in st1 2a-b <7 but we dont know lower limit of 2a-b so clearly not sufficient.

in St2 a= b+3 . ( nothing new information)

I want to know how to combine both the statement and proceed further?

Thanks


Actually this is a 30 second question.

Is |2a – b| < 7?

(1) 2a – b < 7. If 2a - b = 0, then |2a - b| = 0 < 7 but if 2a - b = -10, then |2a - b| = 10 > 7. Not sufficient.

(2) a = b + 3. Clearly insufficient.

(1)+(2) Clearly 2a - b = 0 and a = b + 3 as well as 2a - b = -10 and a = b + 3, have solutions, so both cases are still possible. Not sufficient.

Answer: E.

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Re: Is |2a – b| < 7? [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2014, 20:57
But when we open the mod we get 2 options:

2a-b < 7 OR

2a-b > -7

When A mentions the first option, how come it's not sufficient?

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Re: Is |2a – b| < 7? [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2014, 04:26
smit29may wrote:
But when we open the mod we get 2 options:

2a-b < 7 OR

2a-b > -7

When A mentions the first option, how come it's not sufficient?

Please help

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See there lies your fallacy.. Both can be possible so it is NOT possible ( SUFFICIENT) to answer conclusively. Had there been some other condition outlining that 2a-b is always greater than 0 , then it would have been SUFFICIENT. Right now as it is stands , it is ambiguous.

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Is |2a – b| < 7? [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2014, 10:42
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But when we open the mod we get 2 options:

2a-b < 7 OR

2a-b > -7

When A mentions the first option, how come it's not sufficient?

Please help

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That's not true. The question asks: is |2a - b| < 7? --> is -7 < 2a - b < 7.

(1) says 2a - b < 7. Do we know whether -7 < 2a - b? No. Thus this statement is NOT sufficient.

Check complete solution here: is-2a-b-124076.html#p1381900

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