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Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ? [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2010, 07:05
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Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?

(1) a^2 > b^2
(2) |a| * b < 0
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2010, 07:48
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Hi Bunuel,
I am not very much comfortable with Absolute value Problems, e.g.

Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?
(1) a2 > b2
(2) |a| × b < 0

Is there any GYAN Material for improvement? Kindly help.


Hi, Don't worry. You will learn the things and GMAT absolute value tricks sooooon.

The be low is my approcah for any modulus qtn in GMAT.

Remember.
The meaning of |x-y| is "On the number line, the distance between X and +Y"
The meaning of |x+y| is "On the number line, the distance between X and -Y"
The meaning of |x| is "On the number line, the distance between X and 0".

On the # line, Left to 0 are all the -ve #s and right to 0 are all +ve #s

Original Qtn:
Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?

menas "is the SUM of the distance between a and 0, and the distance bewtween b and 0 > the distance bewtween a+b and 0"

let us take some cases to simplify the qtn.

case1: if a and b both are RIGHT to 0 on the # line then a+b will also be RIGHT to zero and even more far away from 0 than a or/and b is/are.

Then |a| + |b| > |a + b| is FLASE
and infact LHS is always = RHS
e.g: a = 1 and b = 3 then a+b = 4
a is 1 unit away right to 0
b is 3 units away right to
a+b is 4 units away right to 0
==>
the SUM of the distance between a and 0, and the distance between b and 0 = 1+3 = 4
and the distance b/w a+b and 0 is 4

-------------0----------b-----a---------a+b---

case2: if a and b both are LEFT to 0 on the # line then a+b will also be LEFT to zero and even more far away from 0 than a and/or b is.

Then |a| + |b| > |a + b| is FLASE
and infact LHS is always = RHS
e.g: a = -1 and b = -3 then a+b = -4
a is 1 unit away left to 0
b is 3 units away left to
a+b is 4 units away left to 0
==>
the SUM of the distance between a and 0, and the distance between b and 0 = 1+3 = 4
and the distance b/w a+b and 0 is 4

----a+b------a---------b-------0-------------

HENCE,

for |a| + |b| > |a + b| or
|a| + |b| < |a + b| or
|a| + |b| not= |a + b| to be true,
a and b, on the # line, should NOT be on the same side with respect to 0.

So BASICALLY the qtn is ASKING IF a AND b ARE on DEFFERENT SIDES, with respect to 0, on THE # LINE>

stmnt1: a^2 > b^2
from this we can say that the magnitude of a is > the magnitude of b. magnitude means with out sign.
==> it says that |a| > |b|
FROM THIS,
a and b can be on the same side on the # line with respect to 0

-------0------b----------------a , obviosly a is toofar ways from 0 than b is ==> |a| > |b|

OR,

a can be on a different side than b
-----a-------------0---b------ again, a is toofar ways from 0 than b is ==> |a| > |b|

so we have both the cases...hence stmnt 1 is NOT suff.


stmnt2: |a| × b < 0

|a| is always +ve hence b shud be -ve for the product to be -ve.

so all that stmnt 2 says is b is LEFT to 0 on the # line but it does not say whether a is on LEFT or RIGHT to 0. hence NOT suff.

stmnts 1&2 together
stmnt:1 says that a is too far from zero than b is.
stmnt2 says that b is LEFT to 0 on the # line
hence using both too, we can not say if a and b are on different sides to 0 on the #line or on the on the same sides
hence NOT suff.

ANSWER..."E"

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Murali.
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2010, 08:13
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chiragatara wrote:
Hi Bunuel,
I am not very much comfortable with Absolute value Problems, e.g.

Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?
(1) a2 > b2
(2) |a| × b < 0

Is there any GYAN Material for improvement? Kindly help.


You should notice that inequality |a|+|b|>|a+b| holds true if and only a and b have opposite sign, as only in this case absolute value of positive+negative will be less than |positive|+|negative|. For example |-2|+|3|>|-2+3|. In all other cases |a|+|b|=|a+b|.

So, basically the question is whether a and b have opposite sign.

(1) a^2 > b^2 --> can not determine whether a and b have opposite sign. Not sufficient.
(2) |a|*b<0 --> just tells us that b<0, but we don't know the sign of a. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) b<0 and a^2>b^2 --> still can not get the sign of a. Not sufficient.

Answer: E.

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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2011, 00:32
clean E here.
b < 0 but a can be < > 0
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2011, 10:46
@muralimba : Excellent mate .KUDOS to you .Your solution solved cleared my concepts of modulus questions.
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2011, 12:13
Murali,

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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2011, 20:09
|a| + |b| > |a+b|?

if a and b are of same sign then LHS = RHS. Hence No.
if a and b are of opposite sign then LHS > RHS . Then Yes.

1. Not sufficient

|a|>|b|

we cannot say anything about the sign of a and b.

2. Not sufficient

b<0, but we dont know the sign of a.

together,
|a|>|b| and b<0 => a can be positive or negative
Hence not sufficient.

Answer is E.
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2011, 02:08
|a| + |b| > |a + b|

the expression will be true if "a,b have opposite signs e.g. a<0, b>0 etc"

st1) insufficient. a or b could have same or different sign
st2) this proves that b<0. but it is also possible that a<0. so, insufficient.

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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink] New post 04 Dec 2012, 01:54
Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?
(1) Both positive |5| + |5| > |5 + 5| NO!
(2) Both negative |-5| + |-5| > |-10| NO!
(3) Oppositve signs |5| + |-5| > |5-5| YES!

(1) a2 > b2
|a| > |b|
This doesn't tell us anything about the sign. INSUFFICIENT.

(2) |a| × b < 0
This tells us b is negative. INSUFFICIENT.

Answer: E
Re: Absolute value Problems   [#permalink] 04 Dec 2012, 01:54
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