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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
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Is m + z > 0?

(1) m - 3z > 0
(2) 4z - m > 0


Hi Bunuel

Help me with what is wrong in my approach

Q.Stem : is m+z>0
Since we dont know anything about m and z we cannot do anything with the stem.
m/z can be 0/+ve/-ve

Statement 1: m-3z>0 ==> m>3z
Let z=0 ==> 3z=0 ==> m>0, let m=1 ==> m+z = 1+0 = 1 > 0 (YES)
Let z=1 ==> 3z=3 ==> m>3, let m=4 ==> m+z = 4+1 = 5 > 0 (YES)
Let z=-1 ==> 3z=-3 ==> m>-3. let m=-2 ==> m+z = (-2)+(-1) = -3 < 0 (NO)
INSUFFICIENT

Statement 2: 4z - m > 0 ==> 4z>m ==> m<4z
Let z=0 ==> 4z=0 ==> m<0, let m=-1 ==> m+z = -1+0 = -1 < 0 (NO)
Let z=1 ==> 4z=4 ==> m<4, let m=3 ==> m+z = 3+1 = 4 > 0 (YES)
Let z=-1 ==> 4z=-4 ==> m<-4. let m=-5 ==> m+z = (-5)+(-1) = -6 < 0 (NO)
INSUFFICIENT

Combining 1 and 2
We get, m>3z and m<4z, let m=3.5z ==> m+z = 3.5z+z = 4.5z
Let z=0 ==> 4.5z = 0 ==> 0 = 0 (NO)
Let z=1 ==> 4.5z = 4.5 ==> 4.5 > 0 (YES)
Let z=-1 ==> 4.5z = -4.5 ==> -4.5 < 0 (NO)
INSUFFICIENT

Hence (E)


Notice that 3z < m < 4z implies that z is positive (3z < 4z --> 0 < z), so you should not use negative numbers for z. Positive z on the other hand implies that m is positive too. So, m + z = positive + positive = positive.

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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
ProfChaos wrote:
kman wrote:
Is m + z > 0?

(1) m - 3z > 0
(2) 4z - m > 0


Hi Bunuel

Help me with what is wrong in my approach

Q.Stem : is m+z>0
Since we dont know anything about m and z we cannot do anything with the stem.
m/z can be 0/+ve/-ve

Statement 1: m-3z>0 ==> m>3z
Let z=0 ==> 3z=0 ==> m>0, let m=1 ==> m+z = 1+0 = 1 > 0 (YES)
Let z=1 ==> 3z=3 ==> m>3, let m=4 ==> m+z = 4+1 = 5 > 0 (YES)
Let z=-1 ==> 3z=-3 ==> m>-3. let m=-2 ==> m+z = (-2)+(-1) = -3 < 0 (NO)
INSUFFICIENT

Statement 2: 4z - m > 0 ==> 4z>m ==> m<4z
Let z=0 ==> 4z=0 ==> m<0, let m=-1 ==> m+z = -1+0 = -1 < 0 (NO)
Let z=1 ==> 4z=4 ==> m<4, let m=3 ==> m+z = 3+1 = 4 > 0 (YES)
Let z=-1 ==> 4z=-4 ==> m<-4. let m=-5 ==> m+z = (-5)+(-1) = -6 < 0 (NO)
INSUFFICIENT

Combining 1 and 2
We get, m>3z and m<4z, let m=3.5z ==> m+z = 3.5z+z = 4.5z
Let z=0 ==> 4.5z = 0 ==> 0 = 0 (NO)
Let z=1 ==> 4.5z = 4.5 ==> 4.5 > 0 (YES)
Let z=-1 ==> 4.5z = -4.5 ==> -4.5 < 0 (NO)
INSUFFICIENT

Hence (E)


Notice that 3z < m < 4z implies that z is positive (3z < 4z --> 0 < z), so you should not use negative numbers for z. Positive z on the other hand implies that m is positive too. So, m + z = positive + positive = positive.

Hope it helps.


Thank you so much for replying this quickly!

I understood. Thanks a lot Bunuel. You are a saviour!
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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
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Forget the conventional way to solve DS questions.

We will solve this DS question using the variable approach.

DS question with 2 variables: Let the original condition in a DS question contain 2 variables . In other words, there are two fewer equations than variables. Now, we know that each condition (1) and (2) would usually give us an equation, however, since we need 2 equations to match the numbers of variables and equations in the original condition, the unequal number of equations and variables should logically give us an answer C.

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Let’s apply the 3 steps suggested previously. [Watch lessons on our website to master these 3 steps]

Step 1 of the Variable Approach: Modifying and rechecking the original condition and the question.

We have to find whether m + z > 0 .


Second and the third step of Variable Approach: From the original condition, we have 2 variables (m and z).To match the number of variables with the number of equations, we need 2 equations. Since conditions (1) and (2) will provide 1 equation each, C would most likely be the answer.

Let’s take a look at both conditions together .

Condition(1) tells us that m - 3z > 0 or m > 3z .

Condition(2) tells us that 4z - m > 0.

=> 4z - m > 0 or m < 4z

Adding both inequalities: m - 3z + 4z - m > 0 => z > 0 [Hence, z is positive]

Combining both: 3z < m < 4z

When z > 0 then m + z will also be greater than '0' - is m +z > 0 - YES

Since the answer is unique YES , both conditions together are sufficient by CMT 1.


So, C is the correct answer.

Answer: C
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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
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The question pertains to the sign of an addition of terms. This should give us a clue that if we have to combine the inequalities, we need to add the inequalities.

From statement I alone, m – 3z > 0.
Therefore, m > 3z

If z = -1 and m = 1, m > 3z but m + z = 0. The main question can be answered with a NO.
If z = -1 and m = 2, m > 3z but m + z > 0. The main question can be answered with a YES.
Statement I alone is insufficient. Answer options A and D can be eliminated.

From statement II alone, 4z – m > 0.
Therefore, 4z > m or m < 4z.

If z = 0, m = -1, m <4z but m + z < 0. The main question can be answered with a NO
If z = 1, m = 1, m < 4z but m + z > 0. The main question can be answered with a YES.
Statement II alone is insufficient. Answer option B can be eliminated.

Combining statements I and II, we have the following:
From statement I alone, m > 3z; from statement II alone, m < 4z. Therefore, 3z < m < 4z.

Adding the two inequalities given, m – 3z + 4z – m > 0, we can see that z > 0. Therefore, m has to be positive.
Since both m and z are positive, m + z > 0.
The combination of statements is sufficient. Answer option E can be eliminated.

The correct answer option is C.

Hope that helps!
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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
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Is m + z > 0?

(1) m - 3z > 0
(2) 4z - m > 0


Statement 1: m>3z
m=1; z=-1;
m-3z>0; sure
m+z = 0; So, no

m=8, z=1;
m>3z? yes
m+z>0? yes

So, Statement 1 is insufficient

Statement 2: 4z>m
z=1; m=2
4z>m? Yes
m+z>0? Yes

z=1, m=-2
4z>m? Yes
m+z>0? No

So, Statement 2 is insufficient

Combining both:
(1) m>3z
(2)m<4z

Multiply (1) with -1: -m<-3z
Add (1) to (2)
0<z
i.e. z>0
Put this in original (1)
m>0
Therefore, m+z> 0

Therefore, (C)

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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
My 2 cents on this:

For me, the best way to solve this was to realize that both statements alone were not giving any answer. Goal is to find whether m + z > 0

Jumping ahead to St 1 and 2 together, By adding both statements:

m - 3z> 0
-m + 4z> 0
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z>0

Therefore, if m - 3z >0

m>3z

m> 3 (z, which is some positive number)

hence m is positive and m+z > 0

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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
psirus wrote:
smitakokne wrote:
Is m+z > 0

1. m-3z > 0
2. 4z-m > 0

OA : C

Need help in underdstanding how we arrive at C.


Bunuel,

is m+z > 0 the same as m/z > -1 ?

if so, then 1. would be m/z > 3, which is SUFF
and 2. would be m/z < 4, which is INSUFF

so I would have said A

Please correct me if I'm wrong - my inequality skills are a bit rusty :oops:


I did the same mistake :(
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Re: Is m + z > 0 (1) m - 3z > 0 (2) 4z - m > 0 [#permalink]
Can you please explain how did you draw these diagrams?

walker wrote:
It is also possible to solve it by drawing:

1. Let's draw our statement using two colors: red (statement is false) and green (statement is true). We will have two color cake:
Attachment:
t75657_1.png


2. Now, cut a bit of the cake by first condition:
Attachment:
t75657_2.png


3. cut a bit of the cake by second condition:
Attachment:
t75657_3.png


4. Now, use both conditions:
Attachment:
t75657_4.png


So, C is obvious after drawing as the statement is only true.
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