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Is |p|^2<|p| ?

1.p^2\leq{1}

2.p^2-1\neq{0}

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Re: Is |p|^2<|p| ? [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2013, 13:29
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Is |p|^2<|p| ?

1.p^2\leq{1}
2.p^2-1\neq{0}

Hi guys! I created this DS, if you want give it a try!

I'll post the solution after some discussion
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Re: Is |p|^2<|p| ? [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2013, 14:34
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Is |p|^2<|p| ?

1.p^2\leq{1}
2.p^2-1\neq{0}

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From F.S 1, for p=0, we have a NO. For p=-1/2, we have a YES. Insufficient.

From F.S 2, Just as above. Insufficient.

Both together, for p=0, a NO. For p=-1/2, a YES. Insufficient.

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Re: Is |p|^2<|p| ? [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2013, 14:48
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Is |p|^2<|p| ?

Splitting the equation into two scenarios p>0 and p<0

I)p>0
p^2-p>0
0<p<1
II)p<{}0
(-p)^2+p<0
-1<p<0

We can rewrite the question as: is -1<p<1 and p\neq{0}?

1.p^2\leq{1}
-1\leq{}p\leq{}1
We cannot say if given this interval p will have one of those values: -1<p<1 and p\neq{0}
Not Sufficient

2.p^2-1\neq{0}
p\neq{}+,-1
Clearly not Sufficient

1+2. Using both 1 and 2 we can conclude that -1<p<1 but p could equal 0. Not Sufficient

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Re: Is |p|^2<|p| ? [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2013, 14:52
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/p/(/p/-1)<0 we cannot divide the inequality with /p/ since we don't know if /p/=0.
from statement 1 ,we have that -1<=p<=1 insuff
from statement 2, p<>+-1. insuff

combined p lies in(-1 U +1). p=0.5 ,we have YES,p=0 we have NO. insuff
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Re: Is |p|^2<|p| ? [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2013, 10:36
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Official Explanation

Is |p|^2<|p| ?

Splitting the equation into two scenarios p>0 and p<0

I)p>0
p^2-p>0
0<p<1
II)p<{}0
(-p)^2+p<0
-1<p<0

We can rewrite the question as: is -1<p<1 and p\neq{0}?

1.p^2\leq{1}
-1\leq{}p\leq{}1
We cannot say if given this interval p will have one of those values: -1<p<1 and p\neq{0}
Not Sufficient

2.p^2-1\neq{0}
p\neq{}+,-1
Clearly not Sufficient

1+2. Using both 1 and 2 we can conclude that -1<p<1 but p could equal 0. Not Sufficient

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Hey, Good Q ..... I'm bit confused ... Correct me if I'm wrong ....

The Question asks....

Is |p|^2<|p| ? , one must always keep in mind that Is |p| is always positive, no matter the sign of P ..Okay & second thing that p^2 will always remain +ve. Now, |p|^2<|p| will only be possible if |p| must be a proper fraction okay. So, we have to find if |p|
is a proper fraction or not. okay.

now statement 1 says .......... p^2 =<1 ...... this means that P can be equal to +1, -1 or p can be equal to any proper fraction as P^2 must always be less than 1 only if P is a proper fraction. so from this we have three values of P... 1, -1 & any proper fraction... however this is insufficient because of multiple possibilities.

Now statement 2 says ....... p^2-1 is not equal to Zero. that means that p is not equal to +,-1 , therefore it is clearly insufficient. .....

Now, 1+2 ........ as statement 1 says that p can be 1 or -1 or any proper fraction & statement 2 says that P is not equal to +,-1 , therefore we can conclude that p = Proper fraction & if P is a Proper fraction whether +ve Proper fraction or -ve Proper fraction, ..... |p|^2<|p| will always remain true. Hence , C.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Pls......
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Hi manishuol,

lets see if I can remove your doubts. The graph will help a lot, scroll down it's |p|^2-|p|<0 we have to look where it is negative!

|p|^2<|p|, remember that both |p| and |p|^2 don't have to be positive, they can also equal 0.

"So, we have to find if |p| is a proper fraction or not. okay." Not correct, we must find out if p is in the interval -1<p<1 AND \neq{0}.

"this means that P can be equal to +1, -1 or p can be equal to any proper fraction" AND 0 I would add, p ranges in the interval -1\leq{p}\leq{1}
"however this is insufficient because of multiple possibilities." Correct

"Now statement 2 is clearly insufficient" Correct

Question: is p -1<p<1 AND \neq{0}?
Statement 1: -1\leq{p}\leq{1}
Statement 2 p\neq{-,+1}

1+2 -1<p<1 But no one says anything about p=0

The point is all here: p could still equal 0, and both statement don't give us info about this possibility.
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Re: Is |p|^2<|p| ? [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2013, 11:06
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Hi manishuol,

lets see if I can remove your doubts. The graph will help a lot, scroll down it's |p|^2-|p|<0 we have to look where it is negative!

|p|^2<|p|, remember that both |p| and |p|^2 don't have to be positive, they can also equal 0.

"So, we have to find if |p| is a proper fraction or not. okay." Not correct, we must find out if p is in the interval -1<p<1 AND \neq{0}.

"this means that P can be equal to +1, -1 or p can be equal to any proper fraction" AND 0 I would add, p ranges in the interval -1\leq{p}\leq{1}
"however this is insufficient because of multiple possibilities." Correct

"Now statement 2 is clearly insufficient" Correct

Question: is p -1<p<1 AND \neq{0}?
Statement 1: -1\leq{p}\leq{1}
Statement 2 p\neq{-,+1}

1+2 -1<p<1 But no one says anything about p=0

The point is all here: p could still equal 0, and both statement don't give us info about this possibility.


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Yeah You're certainly right. I missed out 0 as one of the possibility. .......I really appreciate your quick help.Thanks !! Brother !!
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Re: Is |p|^2<|p| ? [#permalink] New post 25 Jun 2013, 15:59
Is |p|^2<|p| ?

1.p^2≤1

2.p^2-1≠0

Is |p|^2<|p|? ==> is -1<p<1

1.) insufficient as p could be 1 or -1 meaning p|^2 could equal |p| or p|^2 could be less than |p| Insufficient.

2.) p^2-1≠0 insufficient. p could = 1/2 which when squared = 1/4 which doesn't = 0 and p^2 would be less than P. On the other hand P could = 10 and 10^2-1 > 10.

1+2) we know that -1<p<1 and that p^2-1≠0 so the range of values to test is between -1 and 1. Fine. For ALL values of p except -1, 0 and 1 is |p|^2<|p|. However, while -1^2 - 1 and 1^2 - 1 = 0 (which rules out p being -1 or 1) p could be 0 In which case p^2 = p or it could be a fraction in which p^2 is less than p!

Answer = E.

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