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Is product 2*x*5*y an even integer? 1.2 + x + 5 + y is an [#permalink]  29 May 2009, 04:53
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Is product 2*x*5*y an even integer?

1.2 + x + 5 + y is an even integer
2.x - y is an odd integer

Please explain.I could not follow the explanation given in GMAT Club test.
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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  29 May 2009, 09:04
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This question makes you realize that you have to have an "even integer". If the question were merely, "is this even?" you would not need the statements to answer it. If you have 2 * x * 5 * y, then you have 10xy. Generally, you need to know if you have odd * odd or odd * even, or even * even in order to know if the product is even, but when you have 10 * any number, the result will always be even because 2 of the 3 scenarios results in an even number. {1) odd*odd=odd 2) even*odd = even 3) even*even=even} If you have even just 1 even number, the product will always be even. So, since we know that there is a 2 involved, the product will always be even.

But the key is "integer", so we don't know if x = 1.15 or any other decimal which may or may not give an even integer.

Statement 1) Insuffucient. 2 + 2.5 + 5 + 2.5 = even integer of 12. But if you take 2 * 2.5 * 5 * 2.5, that gives you 62.5, not an integer at all, so it could not possibly be an even integer, but the sum is even, therefore, #1 insufficient.

2) Insufficient because if x = 3.5 and y = 0.5, then the different is 3, an odd integer, but if you take the product of 2 * 3.5 * .5 * 5, you don't get an integer at all.

Together) Insufficient. If, from statement 1, you add 2 + 5 =7, then, in order to make Statement 1 true, that the sum is an even integer, the sum of x + y must be odd, so you have odd + odd = even.

Any numbers that will sum an odd integer will never have a difference of an odd integer. 4+2=6, but 4-2=2. Take this principle to the bank. So, these statements cannot both be true at the same time.

I don't think this is a good question, because GMAT will not write questions that have contradictory statements. While I believe the answer to be E, I think the question is flawed.

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Is product 2*x*5*y an even integer?

1.2 + x + 5 + y is an even integer
2.x - y is an odd integer

Please explain.I could not follow the explanation given in GMAT Club test.

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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  09 Sep 2009, 05:14
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Is product 2*x*5*y an even integer?

1) 2 + x + 5 + y is an even integer
2) x - y is an odd integer

Can someone post OA for this Q?

I think the above reasoning is not correct and the answer is C.

Question: 2*x*5*y=even. As there is 2 as a multiple, then this expression will be even if 5xy=integer. Basically we are asked is 5xy=integer true?

Note that x and y may not be integers for 2*x*5*y to be even (example x=\frac{7}{9} and y=\frac{9}{7}) BUT if they are integers then 2*x*5*y is even.

(1) 2+x+5+y=even --> 7+x+y=even --> x+y=odd. Not sufficient. (x=1 and y=2 answer YES BUT x=1.3 and y=1.7 answer NO)

(2) x-y=odd. Not sufficient. (x=1 and y=2 answer YES BUT x=1.3 and y=0.3 answer NO)

(1)+(2) Sum (1) and (2) (x+y)+(x-y)=odd_1+odd_2 --> 2x=even --> x=integer --> y=integer --> Both x and y are integers. Hence sufficient.

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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  09 Sep 2009, 05:43
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I wud also go for C....
SI gives x+y to be an odd no.....
SII gives x-y to be an odd no.....
both these conditions are satisfied only when both x anf y are integer themselves....
if u add two fractions with denominator 2, u get only one of the two(sum or difference) as odd and other as even ....
any other denominator generally dont give both sum and difference as integers...
so both Statements together satisfy x and y to be integers....hence sufficient..
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Gmat club test 16 [#permalink]  12 Jun 2010, 12:08
Is the product 2*x*5*y an even integer?

1. 2 + x + 5 + y is an even integer
2. x - y is an odd integer

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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  12 Jun 2010, 17:52
If I understand correctly, x+y=odd and x-y=odd are only both always true if x and y are integers. If fractions are involved, the statments contradict because 1/3+2/3=1=odd but 1/3-2/3=-1/3=neither odd nor even. However, I am confused by jallen's statement:

"Any numbers that will sum an odd integer will never have a difference of an odd integer. 4+2=6, but 4-2=2"

4+3 sum odd (7) and have an odd difference (1), right? And why are positive #s used in the example? I assume jallen knows what he is talking about and that I am missing something.
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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  12 Jun 2010, 18:19
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alphastrike wrote:
If I understand correctly, x+y=odd and x-y=odd are only both always true if x and y are integers. If fractions are involved, the statments contradict because 1/3+2/3=1=odd but 1/3-2/3=-1/3=neither odd nor even. However, I am confused by jallen's statement:

"Any numbers that will sum an odd integer will never have a difference of an odd integer. 4+2=6, but 4-2=2"

4+3 sum odd (7) and have an odd difference (1), right? And why are positive #s used in the example? I assume jallen knows what he is talking about and that I am missing something.

jallenmorris's solution is not right:

jallenmorris wrote:
This question makes you realize that you have to have an "even integer". If the question were merely, "is this even?" you would not need the statements to answer it.

Only integers can be even or odd. There is no difference in asking "is x even integer" and "is x even".

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Any numbers that will sum an odd integer will never have a difference of an odd integer. 4+2=6, but 4-2=2. Take this principle to the bank. So, these statements cannot both be true at the same time.

x=3=odd and y=2=even --> x+y=5=odd and x-y=1=odd OR x=6=even and y=1=odd --> x+y=7=odd and x-y=5=odd.

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If I understand correctly, x+y=odd and x-y=odd are only both always true if x and y are integers.

You are absolutely right. Pleas refer to my post for solution for this problem.
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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  02 Feb 2011, 11:06
I disagree with the OA mentioned above in this problem.

The condition when either x or y = 0 is not considered at all.

look at this example,

consider x=1 and y=0

(1) 2+5+1+0 = 8 (Even) Hence (A) is satisfied
(2) 1-0 =1 (Odd) Hence (B) is also satisfied

The product 2*5*1*0 = 0 (Not an even integer)

Similarly consider x=2 and y=1

(1) 2+5+2+1 = 10 (Even) A is satisfied
(2) 2-1 = 1 (Odd) B is Satisfied
Product 2*5*2*1 = 20 (Even integer)

Hence , OA is E and definitely not C .
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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  02 Feb 2011, 11:12
I disagree with the OA mentioned above in this problem.

The condition when either x or y = 0 is not considered at all.

look at this example,

consider x=1 and y=0

(1) 2+5+1+0 = 8 (Even) Hence (A) is satisfied
(2) 1-0 =1 (Odd) Hence (B) is also satisfied

The product 2*5*1*0 = 0 (Not an even integer)

Similarly consider x=2 and y=1

(1) 2+5+2+1 = 10 (Even) A is satisfied
(2) 2-1 = 1 (Odd) B is Satisfied
Product 2*5*2*1 = 20 (Even integer)

Hence , OA is E and definitely not C .

OA for this question is C.

You should know that: zero is an even integer.

An even number is an integer that is "evenly divisible" by 2, i.e., divisible by 2 without a remainder.
An even number is an integer of the form n=2k, where k is an integer.

So for k=0 --> n=2*0=0.

For more on number properties check: math-number-theory-88376.html
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Re: Even DS [#permalink]  02 Feb 2011, 11:28
Thanks for pointing that one out Bunuel. I think that property evaded me .
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