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Is the radius of the circle greater than 3?

(1) (2,4) and (5,10) lie on the circle.
(2) (2,4) and (4,1) lie on the circle.

My understanding is that the question asks us whether the radius of the circle greater than 3 or not? Thus if we are able to get a Yes or No from the option, it should suffice.
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Re: Is the radius of circle >3? [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2012, 06:38
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Is the radius of circle >3?

Statement 1.) (2,4) & (5,10) are points on the circumference of circle.
Statement 2.) (2,4) & (4,1) are points on the circumference of circle.

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I think we shoud use concepts of chords and calculate dist. of chords using coordinates.
calculating distance from stmnt 1 = sqrt(45)=6.5
6.5/2=3.25 >3 (sufficient, since Diameter is the largest cord in the circle, any other chord must be smaller then it.Here the chord distance clearly exceeds the "diameter required =6" , which implies the given circle has diameter >=6.5 )

Stmnt-2
distance =sqrt(13)=~3.6 , so here 3.6/2=1.8 <3

But here we are not sure about the answer since, there could be multiple chords with distance >3.6


Any side of a triangle is less than or equal to the diameter of the circumscribed circle. The diameter is the largest chord in any circle.
Only for right angled triangles, one of the sides is equal to the diameter, specifically the hypotenuse.

The question asks whether the diameter is greater than 6.

(1) The distance between the two points is \sqrt{(5-2)^2+(10-4)^2}=\sqrt{9+36}>6.
Sufficient.

(2) The distance between the given two points is \sqrt{(4-1)^2+(2-4)^2}=\sqrt{9+4}<6.
Since through two points there are infinitely many circles passing through, some of them will have diameter greater than 6, others won't.
Not sufficient.

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Re: A DS problem [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2010, 03:55
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Please help me understand the following problem.

Question: Is the radius of the circle greater than 3?
1) (2,4) and (5,10) lie on the circle.
2) (2,4) and (4,1) lie on the circle.

My understanding is that the question asks us whether the radius of the circle greater than 3 or not? Thus if we are able to get a Yes or No from the option, it should suffice.


Yes, your understanding is correct.

Maximum distance between two points on a circle is the length of its diameter (so when these points are the endpoints of a diameter), so the max distance = diameter = 2 radii.

So for example if we are told that the distance between the two points on a circle is 10cm then we can be sure that the diameter is more than or equal to 10 (or the radius is more than or equal to 10/2=5).

Next, the formula to calculate the distance between two points (x_1,y_1) and (x_2,y_2) is d=\sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2+(y_1-y_2)^2}.

Now, back to the original question:

Is the radius of the circle greater than 3?
1) (2,4) and (5,10) lie on the circle --> the distance between these points is d=\sqrt{(2-5)^2+(4-10)^2}=\sqrt{45}>6, so the diameter of this circle must be more than 6, thus the radius must be more than 3 --> answer to the question is YES. Sufficient.

2) (2,4) and (4,1) lie on the circle --> the distance between these points is d=\sqrt{(2-4)^2+(4-1)^2}=\sqrt{13}<6, so the diameter of this circle may or may not be more than 6. Not sufficient.

Answer: A.
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Re: A DS problem [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2010, 07:58
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Hi Much appreciate you posting back, here is my confusion on this.

In the second case, if Diameter < 6 than the radius (Diameter /2) must also be < 3 and thus is answers our question that the radius is not greater than 3. Hence i marked D instead of A...


Please clarify this doubt.


First of all: on the GMAT, two data sufficiency statements always provide TRUE information and these statements never contradict each other. Which means that you can not have YES answer for statement (1) and NO answer for statement (2).

Next, the fact that the distance between two points is \sqrt{13} just means that diameter\geq{\sqrt{13}}\approx{3.6}, diameter can not be less than this value (radius can not be less than ~1.8) but it can be more than it. The same for (1): the distance between two pints is \sqrt{45}\approx{6.7}, so diameter can not be less than this value (so radius can not be less than ~3.35) but it can be more than it.

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Re: A DS problem [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2010, 08:42
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Hi All,

Please help me understand the following problem.

Question: Is the radius of the circle greater than 3?
1) (2,4) and (5,10) lie on the circle.
2) (2,4) and (4,1) lie on the circle.

My understanding is that the question asks us whether the radius of the circle greater than 3 or not? Thus if we are able to get a Yes or No from the option, it should suffice.


A couple of figures to further make it clear.

Statement 1: The diameter of any circle that passes through points (2,4) and (5,10) will be equal to or more than root 45 i.e. 6. something. So radius of the circle will definitely be more than 3. We get a definite Yes from the option. Sufficient.
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Statement 2: The diameter of any circle that passes through points (2,4) and (4,1) will be equal to or more than root 13 i.e. 3. something. So radius of the circle will definitely be more than 1.5. It could be less than 3, it could also be more than 3. We do not get a Yes or No. Either is possible. Hence not sufficient.
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Is the radius of circle >3?

(1) (2,4) & (5,10) are points on the circumference of circle.
(2) (2,4) & (4,1) are points on the circumference of circle.

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Statement 1:
I think we shoud use concepts of chords and calculate dist. of chords using coordinates.
calculating distance from stmnt 1 = sqrt(45)=6.5
6.5/2=3.25 >3 (sufficient, since Diameter is the largest cord in the circle, any other chord must be smaller then it.Here the chord distance clearly exceeds the "diameter required =6" , which implies the given circle has diameter >=6.5 )

Stmnt-2
distance =sqrt(13)=~3.6 , so here 3.6/2=1.8 <3

But here we are not sure about the answer since, there could be multiple chords with distance >3.6

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Re: A DS problem [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2010, 07:47
Hi Much appreciate you posting back, here is my confusion on this.

In the second case, if Diameter < 6 than the radius (Diameter /2) must also be < 3 and thus is answers our question that the radius is not greater than 3. Hence i marked D instead of A...


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Re: A DS problem [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2010, 09:57
Hi, Thank you so much Bunuel & Karishma for the clearing this doubt.

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Re: Is the radius of circle >3? [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2013, 03:09
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Is the radius of circle >3?

(1) (2,4) & (5,10) are points on the circumference of circle.
(2) (2,4) & (4,1) are points on the circumference of circle.

[Reveal] Spoiler:
Statement 1:
I think we shoud use concepts of chords and calculate dist. of chords using coordinates.
calculating distance from stmnt 1 = sqrt(45)=6.5
6.5/2=3.25 >3 (sufficient, since Diameter is the largest cord in the circle, any other chord must be smaller then it.Here the chord distance clearly exceeds the "diameter required =6" , which implies the given circle has diameter >=6.5 )

Stmnt-2
distance =sqrt(13)=~3.6 , so here 3.6/2=1.8 <3

But here we are not sure about the answer since, there could be multiple chords with distance >3.6


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