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Is the three digit number n less than 550? [#permalink] New post 04 Apr 2007, 16:03
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Is the three digit number n less than 550?

(1) The product of the digits in n is 30
(2) The sum of the digits in n is 10.

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Re: DS Three Digit number [#permalink] New post 04 Apr 2007, 16:16
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Is the three digit number n less than 550?
(1) The product of the digits in n is 30
(2) The sum of the digits in n is 10.


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1) could be 532 or 235

2) could be 127 or 721

from (1) and (2) 523 or 325 or 235

This is ridiculous....how can I take E :wall Its C

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Answer is C [#permalink] New post 04 Apr 2007, 18:49
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Since 1 states that the product must be 30, the numbers can be either 6, 5, 0 or 5, 3, 2. Obviously (1) is insufficient since one of the values can be 650 which is > than 550.

(2) is insufficient because othe appropriate choice of number can be 7, 3, 0 or 9, 1, 0, etc.

If you consider 1 and 2 together, the only possible combination of numbers is 5, 3, 2 (since sum must be = 10) and whose maximum 532 < than 550.

hence C
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Lets assume n = abc
stmt 1 says: a*b*c = 30
stmt 2 says: a+b+c = 10

(1) n could be 532, 523, 561, 651, 325 etc here 532 < 550 but 561 or 651 > 550 so INSUFF
(2) n could be 127, 721, 561 again INSUFF

Taking (1) and (2) together:
n can be 532, 523, 325, 352, 235, 253 only all are < 550...SUFF

Answer is C :)
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 [#permalink] New post 05 Apr 2007, 01:43
Isnt there a better way ...?

Any three digit number is 100x + 10y + z

From 1 we have xyz = 30
From 2 we have x+y+z = 10

We have three variables and three equations ..

Without solving, cant we guess that solution to these three equations will give us an answer ... ?
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Re: [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2011, 21:28
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Isnt there a better way ...?

Any three digit number is 100x + 10y + z

From 1 we have xyz = 30
From 2 we have x+y+z = 10

We have three variables and three equations ..

Without solving, cant we guess that solution to these three equations will give us an answer ... ?


The best way is to use the knowlege of prime numbers and number properties

we know abc = 30 and a+b+c =10
30 = 2*3*5 so the max number that can be formed using this is 532 (total 10)<550
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Re: DS Three Digit number [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2011, 01:54
I chose A. Missed considering 0..Damn :x
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Re: [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2011, 10:36
s4ur4bh wrote:
Isnt there a better way ...?

Any three digit number is 100x + 10y + z

From 1 we have xyz = 30
From 2 we have x+y+z = 10

We have three variables and three equations ..

Without solving, cant we guess that solution to these three equations will give us an answer ... ?


Several things here:

- you don't have three equations; you only have two. The expression "100x + 10y + z" is not an equation (there's no equals sign);

- when your equations are not linear -- that is, when unknowns are raised to powers, divided by each other, multiplied together, etc -- counting equations is pretty much never going to tell you anything useful. I can easily generate 50 non-linear equations in 3 unknowns that still cannot be solved. For example, the 5 equations below will all be true as long as z=0; x and y could be anything at all (as long as the denominators are nonzero):

xyz = 0
xz + yz = 0
(x^2)z + z/y = 0
z/(x+y) = 0
z^3 + xz^2 - yz = 0

- even when you have linear equations, if there are restrictions - for example, if your unknowns must be positive integers - you often need much less information than you might expect. For example, if I tell you that a, b, c, d, e, f and g are all positive integers, and that:

a + b + c + d + e + f + g = 7

then I have just one equation in 7 unknowns, but I can solve; a, b, c, d, e, f and g must all be equal to 1.

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There is a simple rule in algebra when you see two distinct linear equations and two unknowns; then you can always solve for your unknowns. If you have more than 2 unknowns, you have non-linear equations, you have equations which may not be distinct, you have restrictions on your unknowns (for example, if they must be integers), or you have a question which asks for the value of some expression and not some individual unknown, then you cannot easily predict how many equations you will need to have to solve; you normally need to do some work.

Many prep books suggest counting equations and unknowns as a 'shortcut' in GMAT Data Sufficiency - they say that you can't solve if you have fewer equations than unknowns, and you can solve if you have as many equations as unknowns. That's a gross oversimplification of mathematics, and I find that to be among the most misleading advice that prep books give, especially for higher level test takers, who will encounter questions which test the exceptions to these overly simplistic 'rules'. Yes, by counting equations and unknowns, you will get an answer quickly, but if you want to quickly get a wrong answer, you might as well just guess randomly. It is useful to understand the rule for 2 distinct linear equations, but it's equally important to know when you should not be using a counting equations/unknowns 'rule'.

I'd been meaning to do this at some point, and I had some free time today, so I made a (probably not comprehensive) list of questions in the DS section of OG12 where just counting equations and unknowns will lead you to the wrong answer:

Q15 (you have three unknowns, so the rules don't apply as you might expect - sometimes you only need two equations to find one of the three unknowns)
Q52 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q53 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q56 (you have three unknowns, so the rules don't apply as you might expect - sometimes you only need two equations to find one of the three unknowns)
Q83 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown, and the equations are non-linear)
Q84 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q88 (you have three unknowns, so the rules don't apply as you might expect - sometimes you only need two equations to find one of the three unknowns)
Q99 (severe restrictions on the possible values of each unknown)
Q110 (the equation in the stem is non-linear, and the quantities need to be positive integers)
Q123 (the quantities need to be positive integers)
Q137 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q150 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q168 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)

and in the DS section of the green Quant Review book:

Q2 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q4 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q23 (the first equation only appears to contain two unknowns; one of them cancels)
Q28 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown, and the equations are non-linear)
Q33 (you have three unknowns, so the rules don't apply as you might expect - sometimes you only need two equations to find one of the three unknowns)
Q37 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q46 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown, and the equations are non-linear)
Q48 (asks about expressions, not individual unknowns)
Q54 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q73 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown, and the equations are non-linear)
Q94 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown)
Q100 (asks for the value of an expression, not of an unknown, and the equations are non-linear)
Q106 (asks about expressions, not individual unknowns)
Q108 (equations are not distinct)
Q109 (asks about expressions, not individual unknowns)

from which you can see how frequently GMAT questions are designed to 'trap' people who simply count equations and unknowns without understanding when it is useful to do so and when it is misleading. I listed the question numbers above, since I think it can be instructive to look at a few of these questions together, to see the variety of ways the GMAT will try to trap people who are simply counting unknowns and equations.
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Re: DS Three Digit number [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2011, 03:22
the digits will be 3,2,5.
C it is.
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Re: Is the three digit number n less than 550? (1) The product [#permalink] New post 13 Jul 2013, 05:13
How can we have 6,5 and 0 won't that make the product 0?

or we are considering 6 and 5 and ignoring the 0?

I picked A for this question
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Re: Is the three digit number n less than 550? (1) The product [#permalink] New post 13 Jul 2013, 05:20
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How can we have 6,5 and 0 won't that make the product 0?

or we are considering 6 and 5 and ignoring the 0?

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Is the three-digit number n less than 550?

(1) The product of the digits in n is 30 --> 30=1*2*3*5 --> n can be any combination of digits from the following two sets: {1, 6(=2*3), 5} or {2, 3, 5}. n can be lees than 550 (eg. 165, 156, ...) OR more than 550 (eg 615, 651). Not sufficient.

(2) The sum of the digits in n is 10 --> Clearly not sufficient. Many combinations are possible 109, 901, ....

(1)+(2) We have the set {2, 3, 5} (as only in this set the sum of the digits is 10). From this set we can not form three digit number more than 550 (max=532). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

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