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Re: Is the Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 06 Jan 2011, 06:12
Agree. You obviously need to try and be realistic when doing that. I just keep reading all these crazy posts about how people absolutely gush over certain schools (of course, they're great schools) and it seems like the end-all-be-all to whatever they want to do in life.

I think in years past, it was actually a lot easier to gauge your chances at the top schools; i.e., i don't think it was *as* crapshoot-y. To be honest, from what I've seen recently, it reminds me of U.S. college admissions for the top schools.

Alex's base logic makes perfect sense to me. If you're already fairly accomplished job / education-wise, you will most likely be successful with or without a top business school. Obviously, getting into a top school would not be a 'blip' on the radar for people but it sure seems like it'd just be another thing to have on the resume to further reinforce what's already there.
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Re: Engineers - Is the Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 18 Jan 2011, 10:36
I agree, good point!
But even if someone can be successful without b-school, it can't hurt, especially if this is a top school. It can upgrade your resume substantially.
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Re: Engineers - Is the Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2011, 22:46
I totally agree with this sentence:
"I think in years past, it was actually a lot easier to gauge your chances at the top schools".
Now it's much harder, especially for the average candidates, while the strong ones know they're going to get in :)
Such tools may help you to gauge your chances, but it's not science... you just have to try and put your best effort into the application.
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Re: Engineers - Is the Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 10 Feb 2011, 04:22
In my opinion, getting into a top b-school is not just another thing on the resume, it can open so many possibilities and develope networks. It's a career defining moment!
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Re: Engineers - Is the Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 17 Feb 2011, 08:04
Is the age factor so important? they say that the 4 years difference between age 29 to 33 is 4 points in admission chances, which is the difference between competitive and strong. Really?
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Re: Engineers - Is the Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 17 Feb 2011, 08:06
Yes. Age matters. If u have 2 candidates that are identical in ALL respects, I believe the school will lean young, as they can mould them better and catch them young. This is true.

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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 23 Feb 2011, 01:54
I think that age is an important factor mainly in top US b-schools, while European b-schools are more open to older applicants (30+).
It can be seen on schools profiles - the average age of students and their age range.
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 23 Feb 2011, 06:42
Looks like they updated the system. I am not an engineer, but now when I fill out the form it falls much more in line with the results I have seen so far in my applications....
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Re: Is the Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 23 Feb 2011, 07:44
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Alex's base logic makes perfect sense to me. If you're already fairly accomplished job / education-wise, you will most likely be successful with or without a top business school. Obviously, getting into a top school would not be a 'blip' on the radar for people but it sure seems like it'd just be another thing to have on the resume to further reinforce what's already there.


How do you judge if you are fairly accomplished job/education-wise for an engineer? For education would it be your school/GPA/GMAT?

What about job? Would it be based on promotions? Or some cool projects that you worked on where you made an impact? I tend to underestimate myself and don't want to short-sell myself thinking I am not "good enough" for certain schools when I might be hence I am curious.
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 23 Feb 2011, 18:44
My post wasn't meant to be engineer-specific (I was just looking at Vocaz). however, education-wise, I think it's where you went to school, major, and GPA.

Work-wise is a bit more subjective, in my opinion. From Alex's standpoint, I think he means the coveted jobs or industries where there's a lot of competition amongst highly-accomplished people (top consulting firms, investment banks, pe/hf, google, etc.).

Here's the quote from Alex's site (http://www.mbaapply.com/advice2.htm#hsw):
"Also, one thing to keep in mind is that for most of the Blue Chips and Vagabonds, going to HBS or Wharton or Stanford isn't the best thing that's happened to them - they have a long enough list of pedigree and/or accomplishments in their lives already that it's not that big a deal for them whether they have the HBS name or not. They don't dream about having a prestigious degree, because many of them already have one (their undergrad), or have done some pretty interesting things in their lives that it trumps whatever brand name they have on their resume. That's why you'll see that the biggest proponents of "brand" and what it does for your career on this board (and to some extent in real life) are people who didn't go to these schools (i.e. they don't get it) - brand doesn't come before achievement and talent; achievement and talent comes first, and "brand/pedigree" is a nice dessert that may or may not result.

Adcoms tend to admit people who don't need the "brand" on the resume - they would've been successful without it. It's like health insurance where they provide insurance only to the superhealthy, or banks lending only to those who don't need the money.

The real acid test for applicants is this: if getting into HBS or Stanford would be the best thing that's ever happened to you professionally or personally, your chances are probably pretty slim (because you don't have enough to bring to the table, which is why HBS/Stanford/Wharton would be the best thing that's happened to you)"
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 03 Mar 2011, 08:48
I agree that banks/consulting companies etc are prestigious.

But when I completed my engineering degree I wasn't one bit interested in banks/consulting companies (even though they recruit at my school). I wasn't interested in software so didn't try for Google/MS etc. I was interested only in my field of electrical/systems engineering and got what I think is a cool job at a F500 designing technology used by millions globally on a day to day basis.

So my question is: 1) Will I (and people such as myself who worked in technical fields) be in the same applicant pool as engineering grads who took the banking/consulting route? Or will I be compared to folks who stayed technical after graduation? I was interested in engineering back in HS and went into a very well regarded engineering school. It's awesome for engineering but is not "very prestigious" like Harvard or Yale (The school is consistently ranked Top-15 worldwide for engineering. The overall university ranks between 10th and 20th in various rankings).

2) What is considered "prestigious" job for engineers who did not take the banking/consulting route? Is it the name of your company or what you actually did? Or both?

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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2011, 09:18
"What is considered "prestigious" job for engineers who did not take the banking/consulting route?"
I think there are many prestigious companies in the engineering world - IBM, Intel, Motorola...
you can find more in the list that linked from the chances indication page.
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2011, 00:54
I think there can also be a prestigious job, not only prestigious company. it can be determined by the number of people you manage, the size of the budget you are in charge of, and your overall contribution to the company's success/profits.
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2011, 00:07
i agree. you need to show quality work experience, whether it is a brand name company or a senior role. promotions are also important.
bottom line - you need to demonstrate success!
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 30 Mar 2011, 22:46
I got a 60, so I guess I won't get admitted anywhere! :)

The calculator looks like a good gauge, but some of the numbering methods are soo vague (like resume quality) that you can't possibly make an educated guess from it. How the heck am I supposed to know my resume quality? I suppose it's good, but who knows!
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 14 Apr 2011, 09:19
I'm with you... i got 62, but maybe i should have given more points to myself on some aspects, i don't know...
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 28 Apr 2011, 04:54
Another aspect is the recommendations, which the applicant can't see or at least not supposed to see.
Recommendations have significant weight in the admission process, but the applicant don't know how strong they are, and therefore can't estimate their impact on his admission chances.
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 05 May 2011, 11:30
Good point. i guess each applicant should select recommenders who he trusts and can provide an excellent reference for him.
that way he can ensure strong recommendations.
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 12 May 2011, 10:32
well, yeah... obviously. that should be the safe points of your application.
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Re: Engineers - Is the free Vocaz Chances Indication accurate? [#permalink] New post 19 May 2011, 02:03
speaking of strong recommendations, some schools have an evaluation grid, where the recommender is asked to rank the applicant on different skills.
Do you think they should balance the "excellent" rankings with some average rankings, to make it more credible?
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