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Re: Absolute Value [#permalink]
21 Jun 2012, 20:54
nades09 wrote:
Is |x| + |y| = 0?
1. x + 2|y| = 0 2. y + 2|x| = 0
Thanks
Hi,
|x|+|y|=0? or |x|=-|y|? Both |x| and |y| are positive, so is it possible that |x| is negative of some positive quantity, thus, only possibility would be |x|=|y|=0? and that's the question.
Using (1), |y|=-x/2 or \(x \leq 0\), so, it is possible that x = -1, y = 1/2, then \(|x|+|y| \neq 0\) or x =0, y = 0, then \(|x|+|y| = 0\), Insufficient.
Using (2); |x|=-y/2 or \(y \leq 0\), so, it is possible that y = -1, x = 1/2, then \(|x|+|y| \neq 0\) or y = 0, x = 0, then \(|x|+|y| = 0\), Insufficient.
Combining both, \(x \leq 0\), then |x|=-y/2 implies, -x=-y/2 or 2x = y.......(a)
Similarly, \(y \leq 0\), then |y|=-x/2 implies, -y=-x/2 or x = 2y........(b) From (a) & (b) 4y=y, thus y=0 & x=0 Also, \(|x|+|y| = 0\). Sufficient.
Re: Is |x| + |y| = 0? [#permalink]
22 Jun 2012, 00:35
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Is |x| + |y| = 0?
Since absolute value is non-negative the from \(|x| + |y| = 0\) we have that the sum of two non-negative values equals to zero, which is only possible if both of them equal to zero. So, the question basically asks whether \(x=y=0\)
(1) x + 2|y| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(x=-2\) and \(y=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|y|=-\frac{x}{2}\), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|y|\)), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(x\leq{0}\).
(2) y + 2|x| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(y=-2\) and \(x=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|x|=-\frac{y}{2}\), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|x|\)), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(y\leq{0}\).
(1)+(2) We have that \(x\leq{0}\) and \(y\leq{0}\), hence equations from the statements transform to: \(x-2y=0\) and \(y-2x=0\). Solving gives \(x=y=0\). Sufficient.
Re: Is |x| + |y| = 0? [#permalink]
24 Jun 2012, 12:38
nades09 wrote:
Is |x| + |y| = 0?
(1) x + 2|y| = 0 (2) y + 2|x| = 0
(1) Not sufficient, but implies that x is not positive. (2) Again, not sufficient, but implies y is not positive.
When considering (1) and (2) together, we can add the two equations side-by-side and obtain x + 2|y| + y + 2|x| = 0, and (x + |x|) + |x| + (y + |y|) +|y| = 0 + |x| + 0 + |y| = |x| + |y| = 0. We used the fact that if x is not positive (it is negative or 0), then x + |x| = 0.
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Since the Question stem is asking if sum of 2 absolute values (which are positive) equal to 0. We know that sum of 2 positive nos can be zero if both are zero. Hence Question asks if x=y=0
from St1 we have x+2|y|=0 Now if y is less than equal to 0 than we have x-2y=0 or x=2y or x=0 if y is 0 If y>0 then x=-2y
Since using 1 we have more than 1 possible option therefore A,D ruled out
From st 2 we have y+2|x|=0 If x is less than or equal to zero than y-2x=0 or y=2x or if x=0 then y=0 If x>0 then y=-2x
Again more than 1 solution so Option B ruled out
Combining both statement we get
x=2y ,x=-2y, y=2x and y=-2x and x=0, y=0
Since x=0,y=0 is common from both equation we can say say that |x|+|y|=0 Note that x and y have to be 0 to satisfy all above equations. _________________
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There are two ways we can solve. One is to get the positive and negative cases of y. On the other hand, we can isolate |y| as the question is looking for the value of |y|+|x|
x + 2|y| = 0 2|y| = -x |y| = -x/2 if |y| = -x/2 then -x/2 must be positive which means x is negative. Of course, x could also be zero meaning we don't know if the absolute value of x and y = 0 INSUFFICIENT
(2) y + 2|x| = 0 This is a similar statement to the above one, except we have the absolute value of x instead of y. y + 2|x| = 0 2|x| = -y |x| = -y/2 As with the above statement -y/2 = an absolute value so y must be negative. However, it could also be = to zero. INSUFFICIENT
So....from 1 and 2 we know that x<=0 and y<=0 which means that: x + 2|y| = 0 x-2y = 0
Re: Is |x| + |y| = 0? [#permalink]
13 Oct 2013, 02:05
Bunuel wrote:
Is |x| + |y| = 0?
Since absolute value is non-negative the from \(|x| + |y| = 0\) we have that the sum of two non-negative values equals to zero, which is only possible if both of them equal to zero. So, the question basically asks whether \(x=y=0\)
(1) x + 2|y| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(x=-2\) and \(y=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|y|=-\frac{x}{2}\), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|y|\)), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(x\leq{0}\).
(2) y + 2|x| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(y=-2\) and \(x=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|x|=-\frac{y}{2}\), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|x|\)), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(y\leq{0}\).
(1)+(2) We have that \(x\leq{0}\) and \(y\leq{0}\), hence equations from the statements transform to: \(x-2y=0\) and \(y-2x=0\). Solving gives \(x=y=0\). Sufficient.
Hi Bunuel, why do the "equations from the statements transform to: \(x-2y=0\) and \(y-2x=0\)"? Shouldn't it be -x + 2y = 0 and -y +2x = 0? Hope you can help clarify.
Re: Is |x| + |y| = 0? [#permalink]
13 Oct 2013, 03:11
Expert's post
pauc wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Is |x| + |y| = 0?
Since absolute value is non-negative the from \(|x| + |y| = 0\) we have that the sum of two non-negative values equals to zero, which is only possible if both of them equal to zero. So, the question basically asks whether \(x=y=0\)
(1) x + 2|y| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(x=-2\) and \(y=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|y|=-\frac{x}{2}\), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|y|\)), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(x\leq{0}\).
(2) y + 2|x| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(y=-2\) and \(x=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|x|=-\frac{y}{2}\), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|x|\)), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(y\leq{0}\).
(1)+(2) We have that \(x\leq{0}\) and \(y\leq{0}\), hence equations from the statements transform to: \(x-2y=0\) and \(y-2x=0\). Solving gives \(x=y=0\). Sufficient.
Hi Bunuel, why do the "equations from the statements transform to: \(x-2y=0\) and \(y-2x=0\)"? Shouldn't it be -x + 2y = 0 and -y +2x = 0? Hope you can help clarify.
We have that \(x\leq{0}\) and \(y\leq{0}\), thus \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\). Therefore \(x + 2|y| = 0\) becomes \(x-2y=0\) and \(y + 2|x| = 0\) becomes \(y-2x=0\).
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Re: Is |x| + |y| = 0? [#permalink]
12 Dec 2015, 21:21
Bunuel wrote:
Is |x| + |y| = 0?
Since absolute value is non-negative the from \(|x| + |y| = 0\) we have that the sum of two non-negative values equals to zero, which is only possible if both of them equal to zero. So, the question basically asks whether \(x=y=0\)
(1) x + 2|y| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(x=-2\) and \(y=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|y|=-\frac{x}{2}\), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|y|\)), so \(-\frac{x}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(x\leq{0}\).
(2) y + 2|x| = 0. It's certainly possible that \(x=y=0\) but it's also possible that \(y=-2\) and \(x=1\). Not sufficient.
Notice that from this statement \(|x|=-\frac{y}{2}\), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\) equals to a non-negative value (\(|x|\)), so \(-\frac{y}{2}\geq{0}\) --> \(y\leq{0}\).
(1)+(2) We have that \(x\leq{0}\) and \(y\leq{0}\), hence equations from the statements transform to: \(x-2y=0\) and \(y-2x=0\). Solving gives \(x=y=0\). Sufficient.
I solved this question in the following way - still got the right answer (not sure if I am right or it was just a fluke). Please provide input.
|x| + |y| = 0, means both value of x&y needs to be known (preferably zero)
Each statement talks about two variables at the same time -Both Insufficient- So either C or E
Now, Statement 1 is in form of y=mx+c (m=-0.5/+0.5 - slope) & Statement 2 is in form of y=mx+c (m=-2/+2 - slope)
Since any of the possibilities do not overlap each other, these lines will intersect each other at one point - and thus a solution is possible with the help of both the statements. Thus C
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