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Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old girl from the Jamestown archaeological site indicate she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.


a. she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.
b. that she ate a high protein diet, so probably had been the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant.
c. that she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant’s.
d. she ate a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and had not been a maidservant.
e. she had eaten a high-protein diet, thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant’s.

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Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old girl from the Jamestown archaeological site indicate she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.


a. she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.
b. that she ate a high protein diet, so probably had been the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant.
c. that she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant’s.
d. she ate a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and had not been a maidservant.
e. she had eaten a high-protein diet, thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant’s.

Guys how do you go about answering this question?


Hi Vibhav. This doesn't make sense. Can you please post the source of it?

A) that is missing ( indicate that is correct)
B) had been is wrong
C) parallelsim error. daughter of a gentleman, and not (of) a maid servant is correct phrasing
D)that is missing
E)that is missing
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I got the below OE from BTG http://www.beatthegmat.com/a-14-year-old-girl-t238966.html. Sounds logical and perfect.

Solution: A

Explanation: The easiest way to eliminate several possibilities in this problem is to focus on the overall structure at the end. The logical meaning is: she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably was this type of person, not this type person. It is illogical to say that she was this type of person, AND not this type of person (as if she was both - a person and not a person?). For instance you say: John bought a VW, not a Toyota. You would not say: John bought a VW, and not a Toyota (which means he bought a VW and bought “not a Toyota” While there are other errors to consider in (B), (C) they are both wrong for this reason. (D) delivers an illogical timeline and tacks on the random “she had not been a maidservant” at the end, which means she did something before she was a daughter. (E) also has illogical past perfect after thereby and incorrectly uses the possessive at the end, creating a structure that is not parallel. Only (A) correctly conveys the logical meaning and uses the proper structures required by the sentence.
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2013, 11:10
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I got the below OE from BTG http://www.beatthegmat.com/a-14-year-old-girl-t238966.html. Sounds logical and perfect.

Solution: A

Explanation: The easiest way to eliminate several possibilities in this problem is to focus on the overall structure at the end. The logical meaning is: she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably was this type of person, not this type person. It is illogical to say that she was this type of person, AND not this type of person (as if she was both - a person and not a person?). For instance you say: John bought a VW, not a Toyota. You would not say: John bought a VW, and not a Toyota (which means he bought a VW and bought “not a Toyota” While there are other errors to consider in (B), (C) they are both wrong for this reason. (D) delivers an illogical timeline and tacks on the random “she had not been a maidservant” at the end, which means she did something before she was a daughter. (E) also has illogical past perfect after thereby and incorrectly uses the possessive at the end, creating a structure that is not parallel. Only (A) correctly conveys the logical meaning and uses the proper structures required by the sentence.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/02/scien ... 04h7qUpDfQ

Please go through the 4th paragraph,last 3 lines. The lack of veracity,both for the source of this question, along with the OA makes this a dubious question.
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2013, 10:25
The ans is A as the correct structure is......

of x, not y


incorrect would be- of x, and not y
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2013, 09:06
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I got the below OE from BTG http://www.beatthegmat.com/a-14-year-old-girl-t238966.html. Sounds logical and perfect.

Solution: A

Explanation: The easiest way to eliminate several possibilities in this problem is to focus on the overall structure at the end. The logical meaning is: she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably was this type of person, not this type person. It is illogical to say that she was this type of person, AND not this type of person (as if she was both - a person and not a person?). For instance you say: John bought a VW, not a Toyota. You would not say: John bought a VW, and not a Toyota (which means he bought a VW and bought “not a Toyota” While there are other errors to consider in (B), (C) they are both wrong for this reason. (D) delivers an illogical timeline and tacks on the random “she had not been a maidservant” at the end, which means she did something before she was a daughter. (E) also has illogical past perfect after thereby and incorrectly uses the possessive at the end, creating a structure that is not parallel. Only (A) correctly conveys the logical meaning and uses the proper structures required by the sentence.



I think they need to add the fact that "had eaten" takes on a significantly different meaning from "ate".
Had Eaten indicates she probably had just eaten some protein food before she died and hence it can be concluded that she could be the daughter of a gentleman. Having said that I could not find a reason to rule out C based on the use of "that". Would C have been correct if maidservant's were not used?
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2013, 16:59
after reporting verb 'that' is required. So not sure whether the answer makes sense..
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after reporting verb 'that' is required. So not sure whether the answer makes sense..


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You're right, after reporting verb, that is required. But, "indicate" is not reporting verb. You may think "indicate that" is correct, because you see this idiom more often. However, after verbs such as say, tell, think, believe, indicate, etc..."that" is OPTIONAL.

For example: the high fever indicates a serious problem.

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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2013, 21:36
Hi Pghai,

"Indicate" is a reporting verb and should therefore ideally take "that".

Refer MGMAT SC, Chapter 11.

The book explains that it is necessary to put a "that" between a reporting verb and the thought. It uses a similar example as used by you to point out that by omitting "that", the meaning gets confusing...Thus in your example, it would mean that the fever is simply pointing out the problem.


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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2013, 05:20
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Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old girl from the Jamestown archaeological site indicate she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.


a. she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.
b. that she ate a high protein diet, so probably had been the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant.
c. that she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant’s.
d. she ate a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and had not been a maidservant.
e. she had eaten a high-protein diet, thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant’s.

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Can someone explain the usage of "had"..

WHat is the sequence of events happening..??

IMO: "had" should not be used with "high-protein diet" because that cannot be the 1st event(earlier event)...

Can someone help as the OA is A.

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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2013, 05:26
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Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old girl from the Jamestown archaeological site indicate she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.


a. she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.
b. that she ate a high protein diet, so probably had been the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant.
c. that she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant’s.
d. she ate a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and had not been a maidservant.
e. she had eaten a high-protein diet, thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant’s.

Guys how do you go about answering this question?



Can someone explain the usage of "had"..

WHat is the sequence of events happening..??

IMO: "had" should not be used with "high-protein diet" because that cannot be the 1st event(earlier event)...

Can someone help as the OA is A.

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PRIOR EVENT: GIRL ATE HIGH PROTEIN DIET.
LATER EVENT: RECENTLY EXCAVATION DONE==>this is later past

so we are using HAD with first one...

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guys one thing we missed here; how can it be A, as the sentence is subjunctive not indicative then how come "was" as helping verb not were.

B suits the best as it satisfies all conditions of subjunctive case and also the time sequence of past events as well as the " indicate that.." sequence.
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2013, 21:38
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Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old girl from the Jamestown archaeological site indicate she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.


a. she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.
b. that she ate a high protein diet, so probably had been the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant.
c. that she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant’s.
d. she ate a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and had not been a maidservant.
e. she had eaten a high-protein diet, thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant’s.

Guys how do you go about answering this question?


In A, shouldn't it be ",so she was" instead of ",so" as per FANBOYS.??
We are connecting two independent clauses here...
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 22 Dec 2013, 03:38
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crackgmat13 wrote:
after reporting verb 'that' is required. So not sure whether the answer makes sense..


Hi crackgmat13
Welcome to Gmatclub!

You're right, after reporting verb, that is required. But, "indicate" is not reporting verb. You may think "indicate that" is correct, because you see this idiom more often. However, after verbs such as say, tell, think, believe, indicate, etc..."that" is OPTIONAL.

For example: the high fever indicates a serious problem.

Hope it helps.


Hi pqhai,
Acctually, I think that we need "that" in this case because after "indicate" we have full clause. It differs from "indicates a serious problem". I think:
indicate + Noun
indicate that S+V
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 22 Dec 2013, 10:34
Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old girl from the Jamestown archaeological site indicate she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.


a. she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.
b. that she ate a high protein diet, so probably had been the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant.
c. that she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant’s.
d. she ate a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and had not been a maidservant.
e. she had eaten a high-protein diet, thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant’s.



Here is my reasoning: (A)

Answer choices b and c contain "that" before "she" which is unnecessary wordage. It doesn't offer up anymore information or clarity to the sentence than "she had" does. On the GMAT, we want the most simplistic and concise form of the sentence so long as it doesn't change or loose meaning. Therefore, choices c and b are out. This leaves us with a, d and e.

in d, "she ate" a high protein diet refers to what she had consumed in the past, but note that unlike "she had eaten" which refers to an even that started and ended in the past, "she had eaten" is an event that started in the past with no definitive end.

in e, "thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant's" sounds clumsy and awkward.

I'll be honest, I partially went with A simply because of the way it sounded. 's indicates possession so in this case, wouldn't the daughter be the possession of the maidservant? "not a maidservant’s." sounded wrong but what what is the rule that makes it wrong?
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 22 Dec 2013, 19:51
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Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old girl from the Jamestown archaeological site indicate she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.


a. she had eaten a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant.
b. that she ate a high protein diet, so probably had been the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant.
c. that she had eaten a high protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and not a maidservant’s.
d. she ate a high-protein diet, so was probably the daughter of a gentleman, and had not been a maidservant.
e. she had eaten a high-protein diet, thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant’s.



Here is my reasoning: (A)

Answer choices b and c contain "that" before "she" which is unnecessary wordage. It doesn't offer up anymore information or clarity to the sentence than "she had" does. On the GMAT, we want the most simplistic and concise form of the sentence so long as it doesn't change or loose meaning. Therefore, choices c and b are out. This leaves us with a, d and e.

in d, "she ate" a high protein diet refers to what she had consumed in the past, but note that unlike "she had eaten" which refers to an even that started and ended in the past, "she had eaten" is an event that started in the past with no definitive end.

in e, "thereby had probably been the daughter of a gentleman, not a maidservant's" sounds clumsy and awkward.

I'll be honest, I partially went with A simply because of the way it sounded. 's indicates possession so in this case, wouldn't the daughter be the possession of the maidservant? "not a maidservant’s." sounded wrong but what what is the rule that makes it wrong?


Just for the sake of 'that', an option shouldn't be eliminated.

pt.1 Consider - She was the daughter of the minister and not a secretary's. It means that the dad was a minister for sure, but her mom isn't the secretary.
She was the daughter of the minister, not a secretary. It means that the dad was a minister, not a secretary.

We are worried about the girl's origins. Eating something can prove her nobility. But eating something cannot prove that her dad is a noble and her mom is a servant, right?

Going by this logic, eliminate 'C'

Pt.2 She had been his daughter ....
Had been means that the action continued till another past action took over. She had been his daughter and suddenly, she's someone else's daughter? Cannot happen.

eliminate 'B' & 'E' ('E' can be eliminated in many other ways)

Pt. 3 In 'D' 'had not been a maid servant' implies the similar causal relationship as seen in pt.2. We are discussing something in 2013. And we are talking about something that happened in (say) 1300. What all can we be sure of? She was a daughter of someone. She belonged to a certain role etc. So, define such things in simple past.

Alternately, "She had eaten something and the consequence of which are her roles" is the proper grammatical construction.
So, 'A' satisfies this, and 'D' is wrong.
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2013, 00:04
"had eaten" gives the indication of it being her last meal and the deduction is based on only that.
"ate" indicates the type of food she ate throughout her life and therefore I think that should be the determining factor

So, A, C & E are off because they change the meaning.

Between B & D, which is correct?

In D, "had not been a maidservant" takes on the meaning that even though she was a daughter of a gentleman, she had not served in the capacity of a maidservant. But the original meaning is she was a daughter of a gentleman and not a maid servant.

So B looks best.
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Re: Isotopes in the recently excavated bones of a 14-year-old [#permalink] New post 10 Feb 2014, 09:55
Following is the right sentence from NY Times

Isotopes in her bones indicate that she had eaten a high-protein diet, so she was probably not a maidservant but the daughter of a gentleman.
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