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It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
B. such that people did not know
C. that people did not know that he was
D. so that people were unaware
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2012, 21:06
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It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
B. such that people did not know
C. that people did not know that he was
D. so that people were unaware
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it


I'm torn between A and C. B and D seem like fragments. And E uses "his" which should be "him". Also Thomas Jefferson was using his political power. But how? Not answered by C.
So, A it is for me.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2012, 22:54
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I wouldn’t subscribe to B, C and D for the simple reason, that they are not making clear what people did not know or unaware.

Between A and E; I would rather prefer 'his using' rather than 'him using', because a gerund cannot be preceded by an object but can be preceded by a possessive adjective such ‘his’ But the problem as I see in E is its passive nature of saying People were not aware. On the contrary, A is more dynamic and active saying people did not know. So my needle may lean towards A over E
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2012, 02:04
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It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
B. such that people did not know
C. that people did not know that he was
D. so that people were unaware
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it

I am mch more inclined towards E,,althoug its nit wordy but still his using makes sense to me,,,,I request some other experts to give their opinion on it,,thanks
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2012, 02:25
A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it - Precisely conveys the right intention - Correct
B. such that people did not know - Incorrect
C. that people did not know that he was - Incorrect
D. so that people were unaware - Incorrect
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it - If it were 'him' instead of 'his', E would have been a correct answer - Incorrect
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2012, 04:51
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It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
B. such that people did not know
C. that people did not know that he was
D. so that people were unaware
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it


If you notice carefully, there is a 3:2 split.
One split shows how person x used the political power and the other split reveals that he just the political power.
D-There are two mistakes in this option. i) implies that there was some intention behind using political power ii) that intention too was to make people unaware. Illogical
C- seems a run on to me.
B-"such that" is incorrect here. Moreover "did not know" should be replaced by "did not come to know"
E- It is incorrect because here "his" already implies person x's use of political power. So there is no point in using "using it" again.
A- Logically and grammatically correct.
IMO A.
Whats the OA.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2012, 07:17
I think I am taking a lonely road here.

Will go with C.

It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power that people didn't know that he was (using political power).

Though 2 "that" looks odd to me.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2012, 07:20
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I think I am taking a lonely road here.

Will go with C.

It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power that people didn't know that he was (using political power).

Though 2 "that" looks odd to me.


What is, in your opinion, wrong with A?
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2012, 17:33
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It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
B. such that people did not know
C. that people did not know that he was
D. so that people were unaware
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it


I went with A.

B C D does not guarantee people are aware of what?

So this leaves with A and E
E seems to be wordy.
So i went with A
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2012, 19:10
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It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
B. such that people did not know
C. that people did not know that he was
D. so that people were unaware
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it


I am pretty confident it's E, and here's why.
A. get rid of the "as president of the United States" and reread. It has been said that Thomas Jefferson was brilliant at using political power in a way...
... his brilliance should suggest the way way he used the power, whereas in this case, it comes off as he was brilliant at using power in a way, in one way among many ways. it doesn't seem to relate to THE way mentioned in the sentence- using it so discreetly, if u will.
B. clearly wrong because it ends abruptly and meaninglessly.
C. clearly wrong, although clever at its attempt to trap those for whom "president of the United States" stuck out most about the sentence because of the phrase's careful placement within commas, forcing them to pause their reading flow, and instead decide that the topic at hand is presidency and not the way he used power.
D. Again, clearly wrong because people were unaware of what?
E. "in such a way that" is the correct usage. "his using it" is also correct. i think it's called gerund or something. read about it. it gets thrown around pretty frequently.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2012, 19:58
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I think I am taking a lonely road here.

Will go with C.

It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power that people didn't know that he was (using political power).

Though 2 "that" looks odd to me.


What is, in your opinion, wrong with A?


There is nothing wrong with A. was not sure of "in a way" in the sentence. So, prefer C.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2012, 00:25
I think C should be out as explained above.
Reread again: Thomas Jefferson was brilliant at using political power THAT people did not know that he was
C switched from "political power THAT ppl did not know" to something vague "THAT he was...???"
Is it "political power that he (Thomas Jefferson) was???" or "political power" that ppl did not know he was using?

Am not an expert, but somehow I feel C leaves room for ambiguities and distorted meaning.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2012, 13:25
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Can we have the OA please GMATbull?

i will surely post OA;
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2012, 13:58
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A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it - Precisely conveys the right intention - Correct
B. such that people did not know - Incorrect
C. that people did not know that he was - Incorrect
D. so that people were unaware - Incorrect
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it - If it were 'him' instead of 'his', E would have been a correct answer - Incorrect


Agree, also for me is A. I was in doubt between A and E too, but the word "of" in the last sentence didn't convince me.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2012, 18:42
A seems to be grammatically correct.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 11:39
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E!
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I also went for A because the OA sounds awkward in that it uses "for his using it"
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 19:04
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[Reveal] Spoiler:
E!
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I also went for A because the OA sounds awkward in that it uses "for his using it"


It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it

Oh!! Still im not clear with OA E!!!
how come "his" possessive pronoun will fit here!???? :?: :!: :?: :!:

I hate this OA :evil:
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 19:17
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OA says
[Reveal] Spoiler:
E!
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I also went for A because the OA sounds awkward in that it uses "for his using it"

What the.....!
Bull, I will really appreciate if you please let us know the OE.
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Re: It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 19:47
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gmatbull wrote:
OA says
[Reveal] Spoiler:
E!
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I also went for A because the OA sounds awkward in that it uses "for his using it"


It has been said that Thomas Jefferson, as president of the United States, was brilliant at using political power
in a way that people did not know that he was using it.

A. in a way that people did not know that he was using it
E. in such a way that people were not aware of his using it

Oh!! Still im not clear with OA E!!!
how come "his" possessive pronoun will fit here!???? :?: :!: :?: :!:

I hate this OA :evil:



Hi,
Perhaps, USING here is a noun and not a verb?
Your USING, My USING, His USING
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