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Re: It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2012, 11:53
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It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to complete a work.3 men would do the same work 5 days sooner than 9 women.How many times does the output of a man exceed that of a woman?

A. 3 times
B. 4 times
C. 5 times
D. 6 times
E. 7 times


The fastest and easiest way to solve this question was already proposed by IanStewart.

I am trying another algebraic approach.

Denote by W the rate of a woman, by M that of a men, and by T the time it takes 9 women to complete the work.
We have the following equations:
6(3W + 2M) = 9WT = 3M(T-5), or, after reducing by 3, 2(3W + 2M) = 3WT = M(T - 5).
We are looking for the ratio M/W which we can denote by n. Substituting in the above equations M = nW, we can write:
2(3W + 2nW) = 3WT = nW(T - 5).

Divide through by W, so 6 + 4n = 3T = nT - 5n. Solving for T (equality between the last two expressions) we obtain T=\frac{5n}{n-3}.
Taking the equality of the first two expressions, we get 6+4n=\frac{3\cdot{5}n}{n-3}.
From the possible answer choices we can deduce that n must be a positive integer.
We need \frac{15n}{n-3} to be a positive integer. We can see that n cannot be odd and it must be greater than 3.
We have to choose between B and D.
Only n = 6 works.

Answer D.
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Re: Time n Work Problem [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2012, 15:56
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nonameee wrote:
Guys, even if you know the solution right away, it takes several minutes (definitely more than 3) to just write it down to find the answer. Is it a real GMAT question? Can something like that be expected on the real test?


Below is another solution which is a little bit faster.

It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to complete a work.3 men would do the same work 5 days sooner than 9 women.How many times does the output of a man exceed that of a woman?
A. 3 times
B. 4 times
C. 5 times
D. 6 times
E. 7 times

Let one woman complete the job in w days and one man in m days. So the rate of 1 woman is \frac{1}{w} job/day and the rate of 1 man is \frac{1}{m} job/day.

It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to complete a work --> sum the rates: \frac{3}{w}+\frac{2}{m}=\frac{1}{6}.

3 men would do the same work 5 days sooner than 9 women --> \frac{m}{3}+5=\frac{w}{9}.

Solving: m=15 and w=90. \frac{w}{m}=6.

Answer: D.



How did you solve for m and w in the very last part? I do the algebra and can't get the right answer. You have one equation with 2 unknown variables.
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Re: Time n Work Problem [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2012, 23:39
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Bunuel wrote:
nonameee wrote:
Guys, even if you know the solution right away, it takes several minutes (definitely more than 3) to just write it down to find the answer. Is it a real GMAT question? Can something like that be expected on the real test?


Below is another solution which is a little bit faster.

It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to complete a work.3 men would do the same work 5 days sooner than 9 women.How many times does the output of a man exceed that of a woman?
A. 3 times
B. 4 times
C. 5 times
D. 6 times
E. 7 times

Let one woman complete the job in w days and one man in m days. So the rate of 1 woman is \frac{1}{w} job/day and the rate of 1 man is \frac{1}{m} job/day.

It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to complete a work --> sum the rates: \frac{3}{w}+\frac{2}{m}=\frac{1}{6}.

3 men would do the same work 5 days sooner than 9 women --> \frac{m}{3}+5=\frac{w}{9}.

Solving: m=15 and w=90. \frac{w}{m}=6.

Answer: D.



How did you solve for m and w in the very last part? I do the algebra and can't get the right answer. You have one equation with 2 unknown variables.


You have 2 equations with two unknowns:
First equation \frac{3}{w}+\frac{2}{m}=\frac{1}{6}.
Second equation \frac{m}{3}+5=\frac{w}{9}.
After getting rid of the denominators (multiply first equation by 6wm and the second by 9), for example express w
from the second equation and substitute it into the first. You obtain a quadratic equation for m:

m^2-3m-180=0

This equation has one positive and one negative root. The sum of the two roots must be 3 and their product -180.
Using factorization for 180, you can find -12 and 15.
So m=15 and w=90.

For another algebraic approach see:
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Re: It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 14:51
Struggling to finish this in 3 minutes, did anyone manage to completely solve it within 3 mins?
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Re: Time n Work Problem [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 16:57
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Guys, even if you know the solution right away, it takes several minutes (definitely more than 3) to just write it down to find the answer. Is it a real GMAT question? Can something like that be expected on the real test?


Completely agree... I did GMAT two years ago and by far the questions were not that complicated. Complicated, of course. But not that complicated. As you can see on my blog, studying GMAT is basically using the Official book and maybe one or two other books for reinforcement. Look for my advice. There is not "rocket science".

I also say GMAT preparation should not mean spending more than $100.
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Re: It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2013, 03:13
virtualanimosity wrote:
It takes 6 days for 3 women and 2 men working together to complete a work.3 men would do the same work 5 days sooner than 9 women.How many times does the output of a man exceed that of a woman?

A. 3 times
B. 4 times
C. 5 times
D. 6 times
E. 7 times


Maybe a method only suitable for GMAT :

We know that Work = rate*time.

Let m = rate of work of each man in one day and so on for w(each women)

As the work done is the same for 3 men/9 women;

3*m*t = 9*w*(t+5)

or \frac{m}{w} = 3\frac{(t+5)}{t} = 3*(1+\frac{5}{t})

Now we go back to the options, and see that each of them is an integer. Thus, m/w, which is required can only be an integer. Now looking above,
we can have an integral value for it, only if t=5; t=1 or a multiple of 3. For t=1, the ratio would come out as 18(not present amongst the answer choices). For t=3, the ratio would be 8. (You can plug-in further multiples of 3, you would end up getting non-integral values. IF needed would prove this later). Thus t can only be 5. Putting that value, we get the ratio as 3*2 = 6.

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Re: Time n Work Problem [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 07:11
Bunuel wrote:
sam2010 wrote:
Bunel-I got a quadratic equation while solving these two eqn. Is there a simple way of solving them?


I also got quadratic equation (m^2-3m-180=0) and it wasn't too hard to solve (discriminant would be perfect square d=3^3+4*180=729=27^2) --> m=-12 or m=15.


My friend, I'm ending up with 12w+18m=mw and 9m+135=3w

2/m+3/w=1/6

take lcm and you end up with 12w+18m=mw

same with m/3+5=w/9, I end up with 9m+135=3w

With that I get some very large numbers when trying to solve so I'm pretty sure I'm not doing it right.

Can anybody please help??
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