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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.

(A) convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
(B) convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
(C) convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding
(D) convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
(E) convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2009, 03:58
First of all option B and D have having been, and this sounds awkward over here, so elliminate them.

Next we have option A,C and E.
From the main sentence we grasp that 1st is the result of the 2nd part of the sentence and so we can elliminate option C, which tries to make both part independent by putting a semicolon.

So now we have A and E
E is passive in the 2nd part of the sentence and so A is the correct option
Can any verbal expert please confirm the OA :)
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2009, 04:23
This sentence requires “for” to connect the two parts of the sentence. (Here “for” is equivalent to “because”)
Hence Choice B, C, D are out

“This semester” should modify “creations” and not “have”. Hence E is out

Answer should be A
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2009, 07:11
OA seems to be---
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C
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Both the clauses on the RHS and LHS of ";" are complete and stand independently
but whats wrong with A?

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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2009, 07:35
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why not A?

IMO, A sounds little awkward and also why comma here-->"convention, for"
do we really neeed it?
so C sounds more prefect

I agree C is perfect otherwise
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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.
convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding Two independent clauses separated by semicolon. Perfect use of semicolon. Correct
convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations

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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2009, 08:54
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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.
convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding Two independent clauses separated by semicolon. Perfect use of semicolon. Correct
convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations


Can someone throw more light on the author's intended meaning of the sentence?

The most lay-man's reading will give a meaning that Jane and William will represent "because" their creations have been outstanding this semester. And "for" is a perfect replacement of "because".

How are both the clauses separate and still tend to make the same meaning as above? Jane and William will represent; their creations have been outstanding.....blah...blah....blah!!!! How is this perfect and how does it showcase the author's intended meaning?

what is the source of this question?
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2009, 09:57
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gmataspirant2009 wrote:
Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.
convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding Two independent clauses separated by semicolon. Perfect use of semicolon. Correct
convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations


Can someone throw more light on the author's intended meaning of the sentence?

The most lay-man's reading will give a meaning that Jane and William will represent "because" their creations have been outstanding this semester. And "for" is a perfect replacement of "because".

How are both the clauses separate and still tend to make the same meaning as above? Jane and William will represent; their creations have been outstanding.....blah...blah....blah!!!! How is this perfect and how does it showcase the author's intended meaning?

what is the source of this question?


I agree that Both words explain the reason for something but they are not interchangeable. Here For can not replace Because. For can be used to explain the reason why Jane and William will represent our school, but in that case sentence should be
"Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention for their creations have been outstanding this semester." "," should be omitted if using FOR.

or

"Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, because their creations have been outstanding this semester"

"Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention; because their creations have been outstanding this semester"

now keep ; and omit because

"Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention; their creations have been outstanding this semester"

we can simply use ";" as second part is an information that can stand independently. Because is not written but we can get meaning that second part is the reason of first part's happening.

as done in option C.

Correct me if I am doing it wrong.



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Nitya, I agree ',' is not required in option A.

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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2009, 12:13
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Hmmmmm, your explanation makes sense to me. There are actually several different ways of establishing a casual relationship between independent clauses to form meaningful wholesome sentences.

"," cannot precede "for".
",because", ";because" and ";" can all sound similar.

Most SC questions, the trick is to just listen to your ear. But there are questions as well that can trick the ear.
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2009, 20:41
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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.
convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding
convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations


consider the two variants

1) their creations have been outstanding this semester.
2) their creations this semester have been outstanding


choice 1) makes it appear that their creations have been outstanding ONLY in this semester - it does not clarify WHEN the creations were made.

choice 2) on the other hand specifies clearly that the creations were made THIS SEMESTER and also that they were outstanding.

This constitutes a modifier problem. As far as the usage of FOR is concerned - it's considered a bit too formal and I believe GMAT does not prefer it although there is nothing wrong per se with it. This question is testing a modifier issue.
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2009, 22:46
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Nitya, I agree ',' is not required in option A.
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Here "for" is acting as a conjunction, and comma is allowed before a conjunction when it merges two sentences into one.
I don't see any wrong with Choice A.
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 25 Nov 2009, 17:36
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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.
convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding
convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations


C

A - Sounds like awkward poetry
B - "Their creations in this having been.."? No way.
C - My choice. Semi colon separates two related and complete clauses.
D - "They having been outstanding"? No way.
E - Awkward poetry again.

What is the source of this question? Doesn't seem to be very GMAT-reflective.
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 06:23
In my opinion answer is C because first is independent clause and second is dependent clause and they are separated by semicolon
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 06:44
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 06:45
Option A is simply written in a terrible way. Try to read it loud :D
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 07:43
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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.

(A) convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
(B) convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
(C) convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding
(D) convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
(E) convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations


gmataspirant2009 , u just posted a question and vanished . people have been asking for the source and you have not revealed the same.
This is not done
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 09:05
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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.

(A) convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
(B) convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
(C) convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding
(D) convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
(E) convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations

The first thing I noticed were the comas and semicolons. If a semicolon is used we need to make sure the meaning of the sentence is still intact AND each sentence before and after the semicolon are independent. I chose C. All of the other sentences were worded awkwardly.
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 09:11
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Jane and William will represent our school at the modern arts convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester.

(A) convention, for their creations have been outstanding this semester
(B) convention, their creations in this having been outstanding this semester
(C) convention; their creations this semester have been outstanding
(D) convention; they having been outstanding in their creations this semester
(E) convention, for they have this semester done outstanding creations

The first thing I noticed were the comas and semicolons. If a semicolon is used we need to make sure the meaning of the sentence is still intact AND each sentence before and after the semicolon are independent. I chose C. All of the other sentences were worded awkwardly.

a Is not awkward.Many will agree on this
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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 11:30
C.
A- sounds awkward as "for" doesn't seem to be the right idiom. "as" should have replaced for in one of the options to be correct.
C- sounds better as it uses a ; to describe why they will represent the school. Part continuation of the previous sentence

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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 11:36
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C.
A- sounds awkward as "for" doesn't seem to be the right idiom. "as" should have replaced for in one of the options to be correct.
C- sounds better as it uses a ; to describe why they will represent the school. Part continuation of the previous sentence

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Re: our school at the modern arts [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2010, 11:40
As discussed earlier, for may sound too formal on the GMAT
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C.
A- sounds awkward as "for" doesn't seem to be the right idiom. "as" should have replaced for in one of the options to be correct.
C- sounds better as it uses a ; to describe why they will represent the school. Part continuation of the previous sentence

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