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# Jeff Sackman Challenge Set vs. Fundamentals Set?

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Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: United States
Concentration: Strategy, Finance
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24 Dec 2010, 07:33
@bmillan01,
I went through quant part of NOVA GMAT Prep and didn't find it useful and felt that difficulty level is not for 700+ score. I was disappointed and didn't do verbal part from the book.
I'm going back to OG and GMATClub forum questions.

PS I had older NOVA GMAT Prep from 2005. I'm not sure whether material in newer books has completely changed.
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24 Dec 2010, 09:01
rg1 wrote:
I went through quant part of NOVA GMAT Prep and didn't find it useful and felt that difficulty level is not for 700+ score. I was disappointed and didn't do verbal part from the book.
I'm going back to OG and GMATClub forum questions.

PS I had older NOVA GMAT Prep from 2005. I'm not sure whether material in newer books has completely changed.

Thanks for the information! It's a shame, though, that the Nova book didn't work out for you. I wish this kudos could be awarded under more positive circumstances.
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26 May 2014, 21:38
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the detailed discussion on Jeff's quant material. I will be retaking GMAT in one month's time. On my first test I scored 48 in Quant. I think that at this stage I will have to take a combination of The GMAT Math and challenging set. Please advice if I am right in my my approach.
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26 May 2014, 23:15
Hi, akshay4110!

Your situation calls for an emphasis on the verbal section, so please make sure that you prioritize that area. As for math, keep yourself busy with Sackmann's Challenge Set and the GMATClub tests. A math score of 48Q indicates that you could benefit from those two resources.

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05 Dec 2016, 03:44
@bmillan01,

I have exhausted all GMATClub Quant CATS during my last prep and scored only Q42 which is 49% . Now I'm considering going through the Jeff Sackman's Challenge Sets with the hope to boost my score up and over 65%. Will this alone be sufficient? I'm not entirely sure if going through the GMATClub Tests for a second round after finishing JS's Challenge Sets helps. Love to hear from you.

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05 Dec 2016, 10:45
Hi chocodetella,

With a Q42, you're making too many little mistakes and missing too many 'gettable' questions - so if that is an accurate assessment of your abilities, then working on 'challenge' questions is probably not a good use of your time. Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How long have you studied?
2) What materials have you used?
3) How have you scored on each of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)?

Goals:
4) What is your goal score?
5) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
6) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
7) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi chocodetella,

You seem focused on raising your Quant Scaled Score to the 'defined level' that Seattle U has 'asked' for, but are you sure that that's the only area of the GMAT that the School cares about? What about the overall score? What about the AWA? What if you hit your Quant goal but your Verbal score dropped significantly? Would hitting the 65th percentile in Quant guarantee you a spot at the School (and what if everyone who applied scored at that level - what else about your GMAT score would help to set you apart?)?

1) When did you take the Official GMAT?
2) When did you take your most recent CAT (and how did you score on that CAT)?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Hi Rich,

I have talked to a Seattle U advisor recently. He said that my overall score (620) was not bad but they were usually looking for a quant section of 65% or higher, thus he recommended concentrating on the quant section more than verbal section for the test retake. The average GMAT score of last year's class profile was 647. Although hitting the 65th percentile in Quant would not guarantee me a spot at the School, I have my hopes up. I'm not sure if this was too ambitious but I would appreciate your input from a realistic point of view.

Also, I am in hope of having my verbal score remain the same or having the admission committee look at the total score report for both attempts to justify my verbal score if it ever drops. Yet, I am recontacting them to seek an affirmation on this regard.

1) I took the Official GMAT on Nov 14, 2016
2) Most recent CATs: Q46 on Nov 11, 2016 and V36 on Oct 13, 2016

Thank you!
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06 Dec 2016, 11:11
Hi chocodetella,

Rather than continue this conversation in this thread, I've sent you a PM with some additional advice.

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