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Is "as with" idiomatically correct here? If so, why?

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.
(A) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;
(B) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was
(C) Like many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant, living in two worlds, was
(D) As with many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was
(E) As with many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;
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30 Jun 2010, 05:12
According to me,

A and E cannot fit in, since ";" should separate 2 sentences which can stay alone. Here second part cannot stay alone.
C looks fine. But, "Like many another" seems awkward.
Among B and D the only difference is usage of "Like" and "As with". Now "like" should be used to compare people or things or nouns. Here we are not comparing the people rather we are comparing a clause of "people living in two different worlds". Hence it should be "As with".
I would go with D.
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30 Jun 2010, 07:39
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IMO A

Like is good.. comparing two nouns
D,E out
B --> has modifier issue.
Between C and A, I'll go with A
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30 Jun 2010, 08:33
Good Question.
IMO A

'many others' sounds good than many another.. C & E out.
Like to compare nouns.

A looks perfect and is free from modifier errors.

Correct me if am wrong.
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Awesome ! Thanks the OA is A.

As pointed out in this post B and D have modifier issue. "living in two worlds" starts modifying the "Native American leaders".

Among A, C and E. The unidiomatic usage eliminates C and E. "many another" is wrong

vinay.kaipra wrote:
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Among B and D the only difference is usage of "Like" and "As with". Now "like" should be used to compare people or things or nouns. Here we are not comparing the people rather we are comparing a clause of "people living in two different worlds". Hence it should be "As with".
I would go with D.
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01 Jul 2010, 10:37
So my first attempt was wrong. But, just wanted to clarify one thing here. Is the placement of ";" proper here. Can the second statement stay alone? I think I made the mistake because of that confusion also with the usage of "like". So here "Like" is comparing with people and Joseph Brant. Hence, that should be fine. But, could you please clarify about the usage of ";"?
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Indeed. Lets analyze option A

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant ---> phrase modifier, noun1 + clause1
born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he ---> phrase modifier, pronoun + clause2

clause1 and clause2 are independent sentences BUT related (he in second sentence refers to Brant) - so they should be joined by semi-colon.

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So my first attempt was wrong. But, just wanted to clarify one thing here. Is the placement of ";" proper here. Can the second statement stay alone?

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03 Jul 2010, 00:05
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dwivedys wrote:
Very well explained!

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Indeed. Lets analyze option A

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant ---> phrase modifier, noun1 + clause1
born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he ---> phrase modifier, pronoun + clause2

clause1 and clause2 are independent sentences BUT related (he in second sentence refers to Brant) - so they should be joined by semi-colon.

vinay.kaipra wrote:
So my first attempt was wrong. But, just wanted to clarify one thing here. Is the placement of ";" proper here. Can the second statement stay alone?

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03 Jul 2010, 14:28
I did not like option A for the below reasons. Can someone please comment on where I am wrong in my understanding

(1) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant, - with 'Like' the comparison should be done only with 'Joseph Brant'. But the sentnece has 'Joseph Brant lived in two worlds'

So the correct structure will be:

(2) As many others of his generation of Native American leaders did, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.

(A) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;
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31 Jul 2010, 05:19
Between A and E ..............

and A better than E ..........many other and Many others .already explained above
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31 Jul 2010, 08:50
IMO A.

We don't need "As" here.. We need like...
"As" is used to compare actions or clauses..
"Like" is used to compare nouns.. just as discussed in this sentence..
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01 Aug 2010, 06:49
Both sentences starting with As are poorly constructed, One another in E, and no clear referent in D
Only A is clear
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whats with the use of 'another' like nobody's business - c and e are out

isnt the use of living a tense issue - which eliminates - b, c, d are out

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23 Nov 2010, 08:19
A, Need to use Like to compare two nouns
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Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.
(A) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;
(B) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was
(C) Like many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant, living in two worlds, was
(D) As with many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was
(E) As with many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;

Strike one: Eliminate C and E. It should be 'others' and not 'another'.
Strike two: modifier error - 'Joseph Brant' should come right after modifier '...Native American leaders,' . Eliminates B and D.
Leaving us A as the answer.

we can use below rule (as mentioned by Temp 33) to serve as a check for correctness!
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"As" is used to compare actions or clauses..
"Like" is used to compare nouns..

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02 Sep 2011, 04:03
Another A! ';' here separate 2 statements and ',' is used in both to separate modifier with the guy and pronoun! Interesting question!
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05 Sep 2011, 05:31
the sentence talks about Joseph (noun) so 'as' is incorrect.

how to choose between A and B?
the construction in which two modifiers simaltenously precede the noun is awkward in gmat.
e.g. Like many others ..., living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was ..

so A is the winner.
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05 Sep 2011, 05:44
A. Many another is not an option
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03 Apr 2012, 16:36
i chose a but i can not explain why b is out. can u help me

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