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Welcome fellow applicants. I am in for R2! Btw, I am a Cambridge alumnus, but not from Judge. If you have questions about the city, uni or colleges, I'll do my best at answering.

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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 20 Nov 2012, 20:23
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We generally follow herd mentality. If many people are going towards particular direction then we assume that so many people can not be wrong ... and interestingly, if they goes wrong also then I feel that I am not alone!! and my pains are then relatively manageable.

Most of the people do not have much resource to identify a good school for themselves and they blindly follow the ranking. I said blindly as many of the prospective students are clueless about the schools or what they really want to achieve from the course. Essay is rubbish or creative writing but you need to clearly identify your objective of the course and their relative priorities. Your real objective can be completely different from your essay objective!!

I come from an industry where there are 30+ BEST awards for primary business. Another 30+ for secondary business and another 100 from second tier rankers. Interestingly, the top places are predominantly taken by few companies only, historically from the last 20-30 years!!

We are from the industry and hence we know there are 60+ best awards but general public has absolutely no idea. So when one ranking ranks us as second, there is generally a negative public sentiment .... why are we second? our quality is going down the drain!! ... we completely forget that there are another 59+ awards, we forget that our competitors are almost equal to us and the difference is very thin and many a times very subjective. I remember one case where wife of one of the assessor was confused and formed a bad opinion about our company and that probably lead to a slightly lower ranking.

The issue is in ranking mechanism. Two rankings are never similar. The ranking varies as widely as from self declaration to third party audits/surveys. Oh yes, there are many rankings that just rely on your own declaration and submission. Some people are vocal and some people are conservative and many people are fake ... so technically the self declaration is absolutely rubbish. However, self declaration is the easiest ranking for the ranker and anyway, the consumer of the ranking, i.e. the general public never bother about the mechanism!! General public just look at the position ... top or not?

So to add better credibility, these rankers came up with many hybrid models, where they look at different parameters, collect submission/evidences from different channels, validate the results from various sources and then use their own algorithm to have a weighted average ranking.

So you can see, there are 1001 parameters, channels, algorithm and relative weight. One parameter important to one ranker is not at all important to another ranker. Relative weight given to one parameter is not same for two ranker ... and on top of that, ranker use different methodologies and mechanism. Student satisfaction ranks high in some rankers mind but not so high in another ranker's mind .. How do you define quality of a programme? How do you define ROI for a programme? Definitely it is not A.pple to A.pple comparison!!

If it was mathematics then, whichever way you choose, your result would have been the same ... provided you are correct. But schools are not mathematics and hence different ranking produce different results.

Having said that, ideally, BALANCED good schools should have balanced ranking everywhere, irrespective of rankers but highly skewed or unique school's ranking can fluctuate quite substantially.

The point is, ranking is important if you do not have other options to evaluate a school or most importantly, a programme. If you have other channels, then ranking is just one of the guide and you should not be to worried too much about the rankings.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2012, 12:46
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Hi there, R1 accepted (and enrolled) candidate here. Congratulations! From what I understand, getting the interview invitation is a very good sign at Cambridge.

I had a 20 min pre-interview first with the Head of Admissions and then a 40 min phone interview with a faculty member (I wasn't told who it would be in advance). You can assume that your interviewer would have read your whole application very carefully and the questions will be specific to your application. So definitely reacquaint yourself with your essays before the interview. They will likely ask questions related to your weaknesses pointed out by your referees. Many of the questions were behavioral in the vein of "tell me about a time when..." so make sure you have at least a few good stories to use to answer those type of questions. Also be prepared to tell them how you will contribute to the program. Remember, Cambridge builds quite an eclectic student body (and I'm talking in terms of personalities here, not just passports) so they're looking for what's unique in you. Overall, the interviewer was very friendly and seemed genuinely interested to know more about me. I enjoyed it very much. Good luck!

Oh and the reason you might find this thread quiet is because the school sets up a Facebook page very early in the process and facilitates discussion over there. For R1, they invited all candidates invited to interview and there are also Admissions staff and current students on there. Since you've been invited to interview, perhaps you could request to be added on there?


Leftcoastguy: Did you decide Cambridge over Oxford? Wondering how you got to the decision. Thanks.


Yes, I did and I can tell you that my decision was not an easy one to make. There is lots to like and little to dislike in each program so in the end it came down to these parameters:
Fit - My interest lies in Healthcare and Consulting, areas in which Judge scores higher or equal to Oxford in my opinion. Said's program leans towards Finance and Entrepreneurship and this was very evident when I heard the program director Stephan Chambers speak during a reception last month.
Program Structure - More practical, consulting-based projects, especially the CVP which is earlier in program means that I have something to put on my resume before Consulting recruitment begins in Feb/March. This is important for someone like me looking to switch into consulting with zero past experience in that field. On the other hand, I was never completely convinced that the compulsory Entrepreneurship project at Said would be as valuable to me.
Diversity - My life so far has been split between India and the US so I would have very easily fit in with the student body as Said, where close to 50% of the students are from these two countries alone. However, I felt that I needed to step out of this comfort zone and meet people from other countries in Asia and Europe, which Judge has in spades.
Personal Attention - I have found the Cambridge Admissions staff to be a lot more engaged during the entire application process. The Admissions staff maintain blogs, answer questions directly in this and other forums and voluntarily facilitate conversations between candidates on Facebook even before accepting them. They are a lot more open to "public" questioning, which means being able to take both bouquets and brickbats. I found the Oxford Admissions process was significantly more opaque. You would be right to argue that the Admissions staff may not necessarily be reflective of the school itself but my contact with students and alumni leads to believe that they are.
Money Matters - There is a lot more scholarship money to be had from Cambridge. I was a fortunate recipient of a bursary award and there are more scholarships to apply for early next year.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2013, 01:34
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For those who are planning to apply to the Cambridge MBA program and concerned about how the new UK visa regulations have impacted placements, here's something that might raise your spirits.

Cambridge MBA achieved a 97% placement for the previous batch. Over 50% of Cambridge MBA graduates switched careers (either industry, role or geography) and 29% managed to change all three

Conrad Chua (Admissions Director) shares more on this --> Cambridge MBA post.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 28 Jan 2013, 16:47
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Happy to share that i got an interview call from Cambridge. Planning on participating in the on-campus interview on feb 25th. Need to get my visa sorted before though. Any (non-EU/Indian) applicant from US planning to attend? Thanks!
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 28 Jan 2013, 17:48
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Hey guys. Judge was one of the programmes that jumped the most in the latest FT rankings.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2013

Really exciting times to be at Cambridge. :)
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Hey guys. Judge was one of the programmes that jumped the most in the latest FT rankings.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2013

Really exciting times to be at Cambridge. :)


And here's Conrad Chua's take on the ranking:
http://www.thecambridgembaadmissions.com/2013/01/28/why-you-should-apply-to-the-cambridge-mba-despite-us-improving-10-places-in-the-ft-mba-ranking/

In short, this rise in Cambridge's FT ranking puzzles him just as much as the school not being ranked at all (due to technical reasons) in the most recent BW ranking. Once again highlighting the randomness of this whole ranking business.

Regardless it's nice to see Cambridge among only 3 one-year programs in the worldwide FT Top 20 list.

LB83 - It sounds like you should hear from them very shortly.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2013, 06:32
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Anybody heard back on the R3 results? I had my phone interview early last week and I am happy to report that I've been admitted! Thanks to f2000466 and Leftcoastguy for your helpful inputs during the interview process.


Congrats! Yes, I'm fairly certain the decision for both waves of R3 students has been sent out. You don't see comments about this on the FB group because people are a) not sure if they're going to accept the offer yet b) don't want to offend others who interviewed but were not accepted.

Are you still choosing between schools or do you think you will accept?
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@ husfad -- I did my interview over the phone and received an admit. As long as you are not based in the UK at the time, I think you should be fine.
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I'm also not sure there is such a thing as a "mainstream" one year MBA to compare these programs with. In other words, it's hard to determine which one is more "orthodox". I'm not sure how you arrived at the Said~ Insead equation. Finance, rather than consulting is Said's strength in my opinion and INSEAD is much bigger and more international.

Both Said and Judge offer a chance to do an internship. If you compare their most recent career reports, Judge's superior performance is apparent.


No, no. I didn't mean INSEAD and Oxford have similar strengths in particular areas. I mean the structure of the programs (i.e. curriculum structure) are similar.

Look:
http://www.sbs.ox.ac.uk/degrees/mba/Pages/outline.aspx
http://mba.insead.edu/the-insead-mba/co ... iculum.cfm

Both have very strict boundaries around periods. You take courses during a period, the period finishes. Then you move on to the next. Similarly, there are not many projects outside lectures or activities that overlap throughout more than one period. This is exactly how degrees are usually understood, both undergrad and postgraduate, and this is how MBAs are structured in most places. A disadvantahe of this approach is that business is not like this. Although you have to multitask, hardly ever all the activities have the same deadline and the same priority and then once they are done you get to have a fresh start.

Now:
http://www.jbs.cam.ac.uk/mba/programme/index.html
http://www.imd.org/programs/mba/program ... /index.cfm

Judge, besides all the lectures has Venture, Consulting and Capstone projects, and leadership seminars. IMD doesn't even have lectures structured in the traditional way. Instead all the activities are coordinated by learning blocks. So in one block you get lectures, projects, seminars, etc. This balancing act is closer to reality.

This is why I think Said=INSEAD=orthodox while Judge=IMD=heterodox. I am not saying one is better. I think both suit different personalities and different goals. Judge forms round managers while Saïd more specialised, albeit more techincally-abled workers.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2012, 09:41
Thanks for posting. I went ahead and added the chart data to the OP.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2012, 11:32
Thanks for creating this thread! I'll be applying in Round 2. Best of luck to everyone!
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 02 Oct 2012, 18:07
Applied for round 1. Hoping for the best
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 16 Oct 2012, 06:09
Two of us denied with the same GMAT score and industry, but varying levels of work experience. Cambridge not interested in IT folks this year? I'm disappointed, but in a way makes me feel less worried about my other applications (I'm a younger applicant) to see someone with similar stats but higher WE denied as well. Oh well, live to fight another day. Good luck to everyone else!

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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 16 Oct 2012, 09:26
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Two of us denied with the same GMAT score and industry, but varying levels of work experience. Cambridge not interested in IT folks this year? I'm disappointed, but in a way makes me feel less worried about my other applications (I'm a younger applicant) to see someone with similar stats but higher WE denied as well. Oh well, live to fight another day. Good luck to everyone else!

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Sorry to hear about the dings. I have found that MBA admissions can be very unpredictable in that your outcome in one school isn't necessarily an indication of your outcomes in others. For what it's worth, I hear HBS loves young people :) Good luck to you!

For those invited to interview, how many are interviewing on campus? I will unfortunately be interviewing over the phone because of my visa situation.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 19 Oct 2012, 18:22
Round 2 applicant here.
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2012, 22:47
I'll be submitting my application for round 2 as well.

Would anyone know if Cambridge is like the other schools in the US that allow for some "overage" in the number of words for the essays?
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2012, 07:27
Just submitted my app today for R2.. best of luck everyone..
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Re: Judge 2013 (Cambridge) - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 20 Nov 2012, 14:36
I saw Judge performed rather poorly in the Businessweek ranking. Any thoughts on this?

EDIT: I just read Conrad's blog post regarding this ranking. If I understand correctly, the reason for Judge not appearing in the ranking is not that they did so poorly that they were not even ranked. Instead, very few responses were received so BW decided not to include the school. Interesting.
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