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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2007, 07:58
Hmm..interesting tense question.

The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had also won the loyalty of its citizens: the invading Danes were well aware of this weakness and used it to their advantage in 893.

first he occupied and possibly did not win the loyalty
then he fortified London

I believe that the semicolon's tense does not affect the prior independent clause.
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 [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2007, 08:48
B

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Re: [#permalink] New post 05 Feb 2008, 05:23
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Will go with B.


I think OA is B.
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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2008, 21:23
Just because implies a recent action. Eliminate A, C and E
(A) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he
(B) The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had
(C) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he
(D) The fact that King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean that he [It has no clear referent – it may point to occupied and fortified/fact – eliminate it]
(E) Just because King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he


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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 02 Dec 2009, 08:47
Can someone please tell and explain the answer for the 30th question
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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2009, 18:23
Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he also won the loyalty of its citizens: the invading Danes were well aware of this weakness and used it to their advantage in 893.
(A) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he
(B) The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had
(C) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he
(D) The fact that King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean that he
(E) Just because King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he

C D E - it cannot refer to the subordinate clause (just ... 886)
A C E - I am not sure that Just because ... can be a subject of the clause
B - past perfect tense is correct as this is an event before Danes' invading
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Re: [#permalink] New post 29 Dec 2009, 08:59
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Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he also won the loyalty of its citizens: the invading Danes were well aware of this weakness and used it to their advantage in 893.
(A) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he
(B) The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had
(C) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he
(D) The fact that King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean that he
(E) Just because King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he


in the question above, we have two past events, 1. king alfred, occupying and fortifying london, and 2. winning the loyalty of the citizens.
so, the verb tense is very important to distinguish the time of occurrence of the two events, so 'had' should be used for the event (event 1) that preceded the event 2.
so, A,C,D are wrong... in option E, unnecessary use of comma and it.. this makes the sentence little awkward.
IMO answer is B.

haas_mba07 wrote:
Standard Written English: SWE

For usage of "because":
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/015.html

"Just because" is informal and on GMAT won't be correct...

As for "had" my idea was ||ism:
"King Alfred had ... he had..."


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OasisNYK wrote:
I thought the GMAT also hated "The fact that"?

NEVER. It is frequently tested.

If you read the link provided by haas_mba, it says:
A clause starting with "Just becasue" and acting as a subject of the sentence is not accepted in formal english. So A is out.
C,D and E are out because "it" can not refer to the sentence or clauses.

Hence its B.


thanks haas_mba07 and ps_dahiya, the info u provided is very useful... great to hear new errors in GMAT answer stem..
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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 05 Sep 2010, 03:04
Why do we need past perfect if the timeline is already clarified (years 886 and 893)?
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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2010, 00:43
I also thought "the fact" in gmat is wrong..
Now, i m clear that gmat can .... us..
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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 24 Oct 2010, 01:27
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Why do we need past perfect if the timeline is already clarified (years 886 and 893)?


nobody is going to clarify this?
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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2011, 05:06
I too was confused between A and B and unfortunately marked A.
As far as i understand -
C,D,E have invalid referent it therefore choice between A and B
if we invert the sentence to see which made more sense and B makes more sense -
The invading danes were well aware of the fact that .... however there was some ambiguity with this approach too so i went with gut feeling... reading the discussion i understand -

a. Just because .. structure as subject is not formal and therefore not accepted on GMAT. (Sorry but the http://www.bartleby.com/ link no longer redirects to the right place)

b. since the same sentence fragment has two timelines -
Just because King Alfred occupied and (part 1)--fortified London in 886 did not mean that --(part 2) he also won the loyalty of its citizens:
therefore a past participle format is needed
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Re: SC- King Alfred [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 09:18
Choose B- since the definite times were given so thought "had" was not required. good point to note on "just because, just like"
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Re: Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in [#permalink] New post 10 Nov 2011, 01:59
Great help guys... I learnt so much from this question.
Note to self: Just because is wrong
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Re: Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2011, 23:55
the explanations helped :) ... thanks everyone !
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Re: Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in [#permalink] New post 31 Oct 2012, 05:03
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Can anyone please explain how the usage of two HADs explains the sequence of events. I guess we need only one had prior to occupying and fortifying.
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Re: Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in [#permalink] New post 29 Dec 2012, 14:02
A – Comma missing before did. Eliminate
B – same tense.
C – Lacks Parallelism. Had occupied and also had won the loyalty
D – lacks comjunction after comma. Eliminate
E – Lacks parallelism. Had occupied and also had won the loyalty
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