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Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2014, 11:51
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I was fortunate enough to be accepted at Northwestern, Dartmouth, and Duke a couple of weeks ago.

My background consists of serving in the Air Force for eight years in operations. I am seeking to transition into services management in the Health Sector. I will be eligible for the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon Program. This will ensure that cost does not factor into the decision being made since all three schools offer packages totaling upwards of $45K per year. As such, I am torn between which school to select.

Northwestern:
- Pros: Most recognized school on the list, excellent proximity to industry, large alumni network and veterans network, numerous opportunities for spouse's career, best options for change of focus should I choose to pursue health consulting rather than management.
- Cons: Chicago can be quite cold and dreary, older facilities that aren't as conducive to learning, fear of getting "lost in the crowd" with such a large student body.

Dartmouth:
- Pros: Loved the visit there with my spouse, excellent community and extra-curriculars to augment course of study, MBA/MPP program should I choose to pursue non-profit healthcare, small class size, smaller but passionate alumni network, excellent outdoor activities.
- Cons: Remote location makes recruiting more difficult for a career changer, spouse could struggle to find position as Physician Assistant (PA), can be as dreary as Evanston in the winter, apprehensiveness to location in general having never lived in a rural setting.

Duke:
Pros: Health Sector Management program is the largest in the country, coming from Texas weather the atmosphere and city size are both comfortable for me, cheaper cost of living than other locations, excellent employment opportunities for spouse throughout research triangle, Duke athletics (basketball, football, etc), found everyone to be incredibly sincere and friendly during visit.
Cons: Lacks the prestige of Kellogg/Tuck concerning other areas of study if I change my career path, geographically separated from family making the adjustment more difficult on spouse.

I think I already know what direction I will choose, but I thought I would see what others would recommend prior to finalizing my decision. Thanks for your time.
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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2014, 12:15
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Wow, what a choice!
I think none of them is the wrong choice. I would highly recommend attending the admitted students weekend if possible.

I think you are on target with your analysis. I would point out that all of the schools are in a fairly quiet non-urban setting. I know Kellogg is very close to Chicago but it is not in Chicago, and while recruiting in Chicago would be easier than with Duke or Tuck, in terms of living situation, you are looking at a more suburbian/SFH feel than with Stern or Booth for example.

From a GMAT Club average user perspective, based on the program/name, most folks would pick Tuck for its exclusive nature (second smallest program of the top 10, behind Haas; smallest on East Coast). It seems to be a very aspirational school At the same time with the Healthcare focus, Duke is well-known to be health-care power house and you will have more classmates/friends/clubs that are focused on that, which usually translates into more leads and health-care employers coming to campus. I will see if stevenfuqua can comment on Duke's healthcare group there.

Good luck and hope you get some insider input!
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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2014, 13:08
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I was fortunate enough to be accepted at Northwestern, Dartmouth, and Duke a couple of weeks ago.

My background consists of serving in the Air Force for eight years in operations. I am seeking to transition into services management in the Health Sector. I will be eligible for the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon Program. This will ensure that cost does not factor into the decision being made since all three schools offer packages totaling upwards of $45K per year. As such, I am torn between which school to select.

Northwestern:
- Pros: Most recognized school on the list, excellent proximity to industry, large alumni network and veterans network, numerous opportunities for spouse's career, best options for change of focus should I choose to pursue health consulting rather than management.
- Cons: Chicago can be quite cold and dreary, older facilities that aren't as conducive to learning, fear of getting "lost in the crowd" with such a large student body.

Dartmouth:
- Pros: Loved the visit there with my spouse, excellent community and extra-curriculars to augment course of study, MBA/MPP program should I choose to pursue non-profit healthcare, small class size, smaller but passionate alumni network, excellent outdoor activities.
- Cons: Remote location makes recruiting more difficult for a career changer, spouse could struggle to find position as Physician Assistant (PA), can be as dreary as Evanston in the winter, apprehensiveness to location in general having never lived in a rural setting.

Duke:
Pros: Health Sector Management program is the largest in the country, coming from Texas weather the atmosphere and city size are both comfortable for me, cheaper cost of living than other locations, excellent employment opportunities for spouse throughout research triangle, Duke athletics (basketball, football, etc), found everyone to be incredibly sincere and friendly during visit.
Cons: Lacks the prestige of Kellogg/Tuck concerning other areas of study if I change my career path, geographically separated from family making the adjustment more difficult on spouse.

I think I already know what direction I will choose, but I thought I would see what others would recommend prior to finalizing my decision. Thanks for your time.
All three are great schools, and the fact that cost is not in the equation is a great starting point after your MBA.

You already did great research on the perceived differences between the schools. I would recommend that you take time to list YOUR priorities. Rank and weight YOUR priorities -- the important things to YOU. I can see you are the type of person who listen to other’s opinions, but make the ultimate choice based on your own thoughts. School choice is very personal decision; no one has the same priorities. No matter which school you choose, you are in the great position that all of these schools will get you where you want to be post-MBA.

After you have a prioritization list, follow bb’s advice and go to the admit weekends with your spouse. Make sure to get in touch with the organizations that can answer lingering questions on your prioritization list, be it career, veteran support, partner support, or student life. After the conversations, stack the schools up based on your priority list. Then make the decision, and don’t look back.

Enjoy your next 2 years!
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lscannond wrote:

Dartmouth:
- Cons: Remote location makes recruiting more difficult for a career changer, spouse could struggle to find position as Physician Assistant (PA), can be as dreary as Evanston in the winter, apprehensiveness to location in general having never lived in a rural setting.



The bolded part is a bit of a myth. Companies know Tuck and they make the trip. However, given your spouse's employment situation, I'd have to vote for Kellogg. Not sure where your family is, but Chicago O'Hare probably offers the best transportation options in terms of direct flights. Yes Kellogg is bigger, but it's not that much bigger than Duke, so I wouldn't worry about "getting lost" there, since the student body is known for being a great community. Sure the facilities suck, but that's not why you go to B-school.

Congrats, and best of luck!
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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2014, 20:10
Awesome position to be in. I'm currently in a first year student at Duke in the Health Sector Management (HSM) program so I'll offer some feedback on my experience so far. I'm assuming that services management in health care means health care administration/provider.

1. Alumni base is top notch. As you said, Duke's HSM program is largest in the country, so we also have lots of alums in the leading health care companies. This definitely helps facilitate networking and recruiting. Duke's health management program started off as a MHA program so we have quite a few alums in hospitals.

2. Duke Hospital Fuqua has a partnership with Duke hospital, and each year a handful of MBA students intern there. From what I've heard from 2nd years, this has been a phenomenal opportunity. Interns work with senior leadership in the hospital, including its CEO.

3. Other experiential opportunities Duke has several opportunity to gain hands on opportunities. In addition to the Duke Hospital internship, there's Fuqua Client Consulting Practicum (FCCP), Program 4 Entrepreneurs (P4E), the Social Entrepreneurship Accelerator at Duke (SEAD). There are a handful of provider opportunities in FCCP, where students complete a real consulting project for an external organization (both US and global). P4E is also relevant to providers as Duke has lots of research output that offers commercialization opportunities. SEAD offers global health experience, many of which are innovations on the provider side.

4. Dedicated resources Duke is one of the programs that has a dedicated health care resources, and health care is embedded in the entire curriculum. Starting with the HSM bootcamp, we have a year long required HSM seminar series that brings in experienced alums who talk about latest health care trends and about their careers. The faculty and electives are amazing and we often have unexpected yet great events at the business and medical school. Having dedicated resources is definitely a plus if you're focused in health care.

I'm sure that any program you choose will be a fantastic choice. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any further questions or if you'd like to connect with a current student who's going into the provider space.
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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2014, 19:31
Con grates, All three were best of best. For Healthcare go to Fukua.

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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2014, 21:47
It's not often I see a choice as difficult as the one you have laid out. If it were just you, I would probably suggest Tuck or Kellogg (based on fit), but clearly you have to think about your wife, her ability to find a job, and her overall happiness. Based on your goals and the pros/cons you laid out for both schools, I would probably suggest you go with Fuqua (assuming you are reasonably sure you want to be involved in healthcare going forward). For what it's worth, when I visited last year, I heard time and time again that they have a really tight-knit veteran community, too.
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I'd like to thank everyone for offering excellent feedback and insight on my decision. I wanted to drop in and provide an update for everyone. After reviewing everything many times and discussing things with my wife, I have selected Kellogg. While Fuqua has an unmatched healthcare program, Kellogg provides many educational opportunities within this sector while also boasting strong job placement statistics. As I attempt to change careers, there was some uncertainty about whether the Health Sector would be outcome of my business school journey. Due to this, Kellogg's strength in many different sectors also influenced my decision greatly. Finally, my wife is excited to research and pursue her career opportunities in Evanston, and the greater Chicago area. Once again, thank you all so much for helping me reach this decision.
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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2014, 00:58
Congrats on the choice. Kellogg is a great school and you will have a blast there!
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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2014, 01:39
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Con grates Kellog a great choice !!!

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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2014, 09:24
lscannond wrote:
I'd like to thank everyone for offering excellent feedback and insight on my decision. I wanted to drop in and provide an update for everyone. After reviewing everything many times and discussing things with my wife, I have selected Kellogg. While Fuqua has an unmatched healthcare program, Kellogg provides many educational opportunities within this sector while also boasting strong job placement statistics. As I attempt to change careers, there was some uncertainty about whether the Health Sector would be outcome of my business school journey. Due to this, Kellogg's strength in many different sectors also influenced my decision greatly. Finally, my wife is excited to research and pursue her career opportunities in Evanston, and the greater Chicago area. Once again, thank you all so much for helping me reach this decision.


Just curious, have you looked into or considered Kellogg's HEMA progarm?
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Just curious, have you looked into or considered Kellogg's HEMA progarm?


I have reviewed the course offerings for both the Health Enterprise Management (HEMA) major as well as the Special Competency in Health Enterprise Management (SCHEMA) offered at Kellogg. I also chatted with the president of the Healthcare Club at Kellogg about opportunities while in school as well as the available network within the health sector and what job opportunities exist. Kellogg offers a wide variety of courses within the HEMA major and that was a great influence on my decision to pursue Kellogg. Tuck, for example, doesn't offer as wide a variety of healthcare courses as either Kellogg or Fuqua.

The fact remains that Kellogg is still in the conversation of schools that offer a strong healthcare curriculum with the likes of Fuqua, Wharton, Haas, etc. I chose Kellogg, in part, because I appreciate how they keep the healthcare students in the same pool of students as everyone else as opposed to the schools that make a sub-cohort that consists of healthcare students. If you have any questions concerning the program, feel free to reach out.
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Re: Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua ($) [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2014, 17:58
Great choice! Thanks for keeping us updated and best of luck with your MBA journey!
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