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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 12:08
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 13:21
Doesn't Tuck place very strongly into PE because of the strength of its network? I'd reach out to current students and find out.

Edit: While I also applied to a lot of the same schools, I'm targeting MC, not PE, so take what I say with a grain of salt. From my research, I've heard that Booth and Tuck do very well in PE. I can honestly say I have not heard the same things about Kellogg/Sloan. So, if I were in your shoes, I'd probably be thinking: Booth > Tuck > Sloan/Kellogg.
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 13:55
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 14:02
Yeah, you are definitely faced with a difficult decision. I think it's smart that you're being realistic that you may need to go back to IBD before ultimately transitioning to PE/VC/HF.

Have you considered posting this question on WSO? They can be a little hostile sometimes, but this question is really right up their alley.
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 14:05
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Doesn't Tuck place very strongly into PE because of the strength of its network? I'd reach out to current students and find out


Actually, purely number-wise:
Booth is an undisputed leader that places ~7-8% to PE + 20% amount to IBD+ 7% amount to
investment management
Kellogg and Tuck are at 5%, 2-4% to investment management and 11% for IBD
MIT is about 3%
By comparison, Stanford and HBS are both ~15%

I think Booth's placement in PE could be self-selection - people who are interested in finance are likely to go to Booth. But don't forget that would also lead to higher competition and firms are likely to diversify. I have heard that PE would actually want to hire more Kellogg but there aren't any qualified takers; Booth breathes finance while Tuck networks its way into PE. Don't forget that Kellogg's class is slightly larger than Booth and both are much more massive than Tuck: 32 people were placed at Kellogg, 40 at Booth. My gut feeling is students who end up at IBD are the ones who didn't get the more prestigious PE, hell, that where I am at now ha-ha, so imagine the competition at Booth.

I am clearly confused.

I'll also reach out to students - just stuck at work right now but will draft an e-mail over Christmas.

Your gut is mistaken. IBD cannot be back up for people who do not get PE jobs because IBD recruiting happens much earlier than PE's cycle. While many people who are recruiting for IBD are definitely interested in PE as a long term goal they CHOOSE to go the IB route first to get that experience on their resume. IBD recruiting starts almost immediately in the fall and is finished by the end of January so there really isn't time to try and not succeed with another career route. Most people who do get PE gigs don't secure them until late winter (end of February/early March) and even into the spring (May/June).
Most MBA students are HIGHLY risk averse. People are taking on a mountain of debt and very few are willing to hold out until March-June to find out if they're going to have a job or internship. For this reason alone many people opt out of PE recruiting. While finding a job in PE is competitive, it is that way overall because you have students from all of the top schools competing for 1-2 jobs at a small # of firms. Booth isn't any more saturated than other schools even with the strong finance program.
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 14:06
Also, another thing to note: how sensitive to the Tuck EA deadline and $4000 deposit are you? If Kellogg and Tuck are in a dead heat as your #2 behind Booth, it may make sense to pay the deposit that will hurt less if/when you convert your Booth WL into an admit.
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 16:50
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Alright... so let me provide a soft fuzzy girlly perspective...

:) Congrats gain! and Good luck.. on quitting your job.. . pre-MBA internship... and travel like crazy... 8 odd months of bliss!


I wish I had your confidence and swagger :) PE/ VC is really tough to get into even from ultra elite boutique banks (read Greenhill, Lazard, Blackstone Credit or M&A), so any brownie points you can get would count. I do come prepared to network and could hopefully get something PE related lined up in the summer, so that would definitely help.

Thanks for the advice anyway - about time we get some soft fuzzy girly perspective vs. numbers pulled straight off the employment report.

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lol confidence or swagger... hardly... i just got WLd at Wharton...and I haven't done much for R2 (other than decide where I want to apply)... From what i've seen happen with friends... PE/VC is really more about being in the right place... and being really lucky rather than being that much smarter/talented.. A pre-MBA internship is actually going to help you get a leg up through the process...

And honestly... you probably know that the employment report is an indicative and not exact... so the opportunities you will have in either of the schools listed is going to be comparable...

I am so jealous... i would much rather be in your situation... quit soon after bonus time than wait till March end...
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 21:51
I want to hear from all the people voting for Tepper because no one's said a peep about it. I kind of see it at the bottom of the list but maybe it's great for your career?
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2012, 22:04
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I am so jealous... i would much rather be in your situation... quit soon after bonus time than wait till March end...


Yeah, that will also be tough - none of my bosses know and my resignation will be a disaster from the personal point of view. Bonuses are not paid until August and are not decided until June, and I'll probably have to "come out" before then. Doubt I'll get the full amount.

Can anyone tell me where will be the right place for me come August? :roll:

P.S. By the way - the voting outcome is so unexpected right now!


OMG! our experiences sound similar... I haven't told my bosses either... not a word...when i wanted to give my GMAT i took a week off and told him I was going on a safari to Africa with no internet to work... and then I hid in my apartment for the week to study and get it done (Dramatic, but it worked)

Thankfully we hear of our bonuses shortly after the board decides in early january.. and the payment comes in with the Feb Paycheck.

Voting is strange... that people would give equal weightage to tuck, tepper and kellogg... coz another thing to consider would of course be the class size... if you are as outgoing and networking type as you describe.. you could benefit from a larger class size..
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Should have applied to Anderson, in my experiences their students were the most laid back and the girls were the hottest.
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2012, 08:23
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I want to hear from all the people voting for Tepper because no one's said a peep about it. I kind of see it at the bottom of the list but maybe it's great for your career?


Tepper has only 1 vote. I would assume that is because of both the 50% tuition, as well as tepper having a decent # of portfolio managers among its alumni base.


Graduate Degrees of Investment Professionals at Morningstar Ranked Funds
Rank Count School Index
1 1 University of Pennsylvania - Wharton School 100
2 2 Harvard Business School 46
3 3 New York University - Stern School of Business 45
4 4 University of Chicago Graduate School of Business 40
5 5 Columbia Business School 35
6 6 University of Wisconsin - Madison 31
7 7 University of California at Los Angeles - Anderson School of Business 20
7 8 Stanford Graduate School of Business 20
9 9 Northwestern University - Kellogg Graduate School of Business 18
10 10 University of Virginia - Darden School of Management 17
11 11 University of Southern California 15
12 12 University of Michigan School of Business 12
12 13 Cornell University - Johnson Graduate School of Management 12
12 14 Indiana University 12
15 15 >Dartmouth College - Amos Tuck School of Business 11
15 16 MIT Sloan School of Management 11
15 17 Oxford University 11
18 18 University of California at Berkeley Haas School of Business 9
18 19 Carnegie Mellon University 9
18 20 Duke University - Fuqua School 9
18 21 Cambridge University 9
18 22 University of Texas at Austin 9
23 23 University of Minnesota 8
24 24 University of Connecticut 7
24 25 Case Western Reserve University 7
Example For every 100 investment managers that earned their graduate degrees from Wharton, 31 earned their degrees from UW-Madison.
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2012, 08:30
Fair enough, although I'm sure you'll be jealous when I'm surfing during the wintertime!

My post is not meant to offend, so don't take it that way.

My vote is Kellogg if money's not an object. I bet its social life will be the best out of all your options, (dont even sweat Chicago IMO, the people are weird) and I assume it places well on the east coast. Tuck is alright but reminded me of summer camp, students were kind of cultish, and is in middle of nowhere, Pittsburgh is not as cool as Evanston (IMO), and your social life would be pretty bad (relatively), Darden also in BFE. Yale seems to be out because it may not place as well into what you're going for.

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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2012, 08:32
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I want to hear from all the people voting for Tepper because no one's said a peep about it. I kind of see it at the bottom of the list but maybe it's great for your career?


Tepper has only 1 vote. I would assume that is because of both the 50% tuition, as well as tepper having a decent # of portfolio managers among its alumni base.


I think you might be wrong - 6 people voted for Tepper at this point.



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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2012, 09:00
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I want to hear from all the people voting for Tepper because no one's said a peep about it. I kind of see it at the bottom of the list but maybe it's great for your career?


Tepper has only 1 vote. I would assume that is because of both the 50% tuition, as well as tepper having a decent # of portfolio managers among its alumni base.


Graduate Degrees of Investment Professionals at Morningstar Ranked Funds
Rank Count School Index
1 1 University of Pennsylvania - Wharton School 100
2 2 Harvard Business School 46
3 3 New York University - Stern School of Business 45
4 4 University of Chicago Graduate School of Business 40
5 5 Columbia Business School 35
6 6 University of Wisconsin - Madison 31
7 7 University of California at Los Angeles - Anderson School of Business 20
7 8 Stanford Graduate School of Business 20
9 9 Northwestern University - Kellogg Graduate School of Business 18
10 10 University of Virginia - Darden School of Management 17
11 11 University of Southern California 15
12 12 University of Michigan School of Business 12
12 13 Cornell University - Johnson Graduate School of Management 12
12 14 Indiana University 12
15 15 >Dartmouth College - Amos Tuck School of Business 11
15 16 MIT Sloan School of Management 11
15 17 Oxford University 11
18 18 University of California at Berkeley Haas School of Business 9
18 19 Carnegie Mellon University 9
18 20 Duke University - Fuqua School 9
18 21 Cambridge University 9
18 22 University of Texas at Austin 9
23 23 University of Minnesota 8
24 24 University of Connecticut 7
24 25 Case Western Reserve University 7
Example For every 100 investment managers that earned their graduate degrees from Wharton, 31 earned their degrees from UW-Madison.


Okay I've checked twice now. Yale not in the top 25?
I know the class strength is pretty low, but Cornell (only slightly higher number of people, and closer to NY, like Yale) is on the list.

Maybe because of quite a few going in non-profit industry. None the less, interesting.
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Re: Kellogg/Tuck/Yale SOM/Darden ($)/Tepper ($)/Chicago WL [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2012, 11:16
Congratulations on your admits! As a first year at Kellogg, I voted Kellogg! Obvi.

For the most part, I agree with the comments already brought up by azn84, cheetarah1980, and str1der. Go to the admit weeks, talk to current students, and look through the employment reports.

A few comments:

Kellogg is not known as a finance school, but still has a strong finance program. I’ve been told by my classmates recruiting for finance that this is a good thing for the same reason you alluded too: less competition among classmates for the same jobs. This is only anecdotal so do some more research, but I do know all the big banks and financial institutions that recruit at Booth will recruit at Kellogg (we’re only an hour apart).

As cheetarah1980 mentioned, Kellogg does have two classes that pair you up with a PE or VC firm for a 10 week long unpaid internship during the school year. One is called VC Lab and is specific to VC (http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/res ... tudent.htm) and the other is called Buyout lab and is specific to PE (http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/res ... tudent.htm). These are great opportunities for students with no VC/PE background to get into the industry and make connections. An important note is students must apply into these classes and get picked by the VC or PE firm. Roughly 12 students get picked each quarter for each class (24 total). Your IBD background will be a big advantage to getting picked since many students applying don’t have any finance background, which some firms look for.

Finally, here is some general marketing material from our PE/VC club: http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/res ... VC_web.pdf

As for dating, cheetarah1980 already said it. It’ll happen no matter where you go so don’t let that drive you too much. Go to admit week. Really understand the culture. Do some prelim scouting to see if there are cute girls. Meet as many students as possible. I will say
- statistically speaking, the larger the student body, the more options you’ll have
- being close to a big city helps diversify the dating scene
- kellogg doesn’t mingle much with the undergrads or other grad programs

I’ll end with the most relevant yet useless advice I got when deciding between schools: All your choices are amazing. You can’t go wrong. Go with your heart.

But really. Just come to Kellogg.
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