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Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2009, 20:13
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3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 20 Jun 2009, 10:13
[quote="sanoasis"]3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are - that refers to skill, must refer to jobs
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills -not parallel: pay for jobs / a job requiring
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are -seems correct :roll:
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills - was/is
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills - as much as
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2009, 16:54
After reviewing the question, jobs -> jobs is parallel in A & C. C says 'pay the same IN jobs', it should be 'pay the same FOR jobs'. Therefore A.
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(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are correct
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills parallelism problem (jobs...a job)
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are (pay in jobs?? not correct)
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills too wordy
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills parallelism problem (jobs...a job)
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 01 Jul 2009, 11:30
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3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills



requires that ... subjunctive mood..

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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2009, 04:06
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3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills



requires that ... subjunctive mood..

IMO A


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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2009, 10:36
I came across this question again. Above I wrote that in A 'that' refers to employers, how stupid I was :oops: :-D :-D of course subjunctive mood: require + that + infinitive without 'to". In B 'should' is redundant
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2009, 00:05
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3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills



requires that ... subjunctive mood..

IMO A



Here is an excellent thread on subjunctive constructs.

subjunctive-and-use-of-that-with-simple-verb-form-79606.html

It is not essential that "that" appear in subjunctive.
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2009, 17:07
"REQUIRE">>subjunctive>>>A :-D
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 25 Oct 2009, 07:46
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"REQUIRE">>subjunctive>>>A :-D


"require" does not always go on with the subjunctive mood. I mean, yo can say either "I require that + inf (without to)" or "I require to...".

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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2009, 10:42
imo A
.... as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are... - so that clearly refers to jobs (not to singular skill)
that doesn’t need to touch the noun it refers
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2009, 16:40
3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills

B - require ... that ... should - incorrect
C - pay in - not a correct idiom, should be pay for
D - awkward structure - a job was ... or is one (job) ...
E - jobs vs job
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2010, 20:24
"Pay in" and "pay for" both are correct idiom, but here "pay for" is correct.
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 07 Jan 2010, 12:35
Great question, Subjunctive mood....
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 08 Jan 2010, 12:24
oh boy! I kept spinning wheels with E; need to understand subjunctive mood better...

Some good resources

http://www.ceafinney.com/subjunctive/guide.html
http://www.ceafinney.com/subjunctive/examples.html


but I think key words are contradiction, wish or mandate perhaps should do the trick...

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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 09 Jan 2010, 02:03
Shouldn't it be:
legislation ...requires ... employers .. TO PAY as much for jobs.

As opposed to:

Legislation ...requires ...employers .. THAT PAY be the same for jobs.

When do we use an infinitive, and when do we use a subordinate?

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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 30 Mar 2010, 21:54
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Shouldn't it be:
legislation ...requires ... employers .. TO PAY as much for jobs.

As opposed to:

Legislation ...requires ...employers .. THAT PAY be the same for jobs.

When do we use an infinitive, and when do we use a subordinate?

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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 09 Apr 2010, 10:37
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 09 Apr 2010, 22:13
I'll dismiss A. I vote for the structure "require of .... to ...." If "that" followed the verb "require" immediately than yes.
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Re: Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario [#permalink] New post 11 Apr 2010, 11:02
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A lot of conversation here, but no one has yet really gone through it piece by piece and explained what the heck is going on. I'll be that guy!

The verb "to require" can function in two ways. The first is passive: "Something is required TO do something". In this format, we have the passive voice of required. You can't go active (It's not allowed to say "He requires you to do something."), and you have to use the infinitive form of the subordinate verb. THE OTHER version of the verb "to require" is active, and forms the subjunctive of demand (We call them bossy verbs). Bossy verbs always form the same way:

BOSSY VERB CONSTRUCTION: HE demanded THAT Sheila dance.
subject normal verb always have "that" Object verb in the subjunctive

The verb in the subjunctive may be tough to recognize. However, the typical present tense form that goes with the subject "Sheila" is "dances". The subjunctive is generally formed by taking the infinitive form of the verb ("to dance") and removing the "to".

Okay. Now let's look at the question.

3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
ANSWER: Here we have "requires" in the active voice, so we need the bossy verb construction. We get the THAT we need, then the object "pay", then the subjunctive form "be" (it's the infinitive "to be" without the "to"). Looks good!

(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
PROBLEM: YOU NEVER USE SHOULD in a subjunctive construction. In fact, should gets used SO OFTEN in these types of questions, that it's worth noticing it in all the sentences you look at. Often, it signals a bossy verb subjunctive construction that you might not have noticed otherwise!

(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
PROBLEM: The "to" is wrong for the subjunctive construction. Also "in jobs" is an incorrect idiom. It should be "for jobs".

(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
PROBLEM: The "to" is wrong for the subjunctive construction. Also the parallelism is wrong. The wrong two things are being compared.

(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills
PROBLEM: The "to" is wrong for the subjunctive construction. "Jobs" and "a job" aren't parallel.

Hope that helps!

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