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Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remembered principally for his chamber and concert-hall music.

(A) Like Haydn, Schubert
(B) Like Haydn, Schubert also
(C) As has Haydn, Schubert
(D) As did Haydn, Schubert also
(E) As Haydn did, Schubert also

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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   15 Jun 2009, 10:05
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Redundancy spoils B.

In GMAT, try avoiding words that do not modify the meaning of the sentence or the intention. This makes your answer choice clear and concise, in OG terms.

Try questioning yourself--is also really required? Like Haydn, Schubert did something does it all!
Like Haydn, Schubert also did something... is also required here? Like by itself does the job.

option that reads something like Haydn did something and Schubert also did the same thing is correct
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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   22 Aug 2012, 07:56
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Hi Bhavin,

Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remembered principally for his chamber and concert-hall music.

(A) Like Haydn, Schubert
(B) Like Haydn, Schubert also
(C) As has Haydn, Schubert
(D) As did Haydn, Schubert also
(E) As Haydn did, Schubert also

Choice B is incorrect because of the word “also”. It is actually redundant in the sentence. “Like” already establishes the comparison. When we present the comparison, it is understood that the two entities compared do have something in common and theta is why they are being compared. Using “also” does not make sense in that case.

In fact, we can eliminate Choice D and E on that basis also. Structurally, we can use “as” as well to present the comparison. But in that case “as” should be followed by a clause. Choices D and E both follow that structure.

However, use of “also” makes these choices incorrect.

For more details on “as” and “like”, you can review our article by clicking on the following link:
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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   31 May 2010, 07:39
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Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remembered principally for his chamber and concert-hall music.

(A) Like Haydn, Schubert
(B) Like Haydn, Schubert also
(C) As has Haydn, Schubert
(D) As did Haydn, Schubert also
(E) As Haydn did, Schubert also


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B - Redundancy
C - wrong tense, 'as' compares actions (verbs)
D - redundancy and action oriented
E - redundancy and action oriented
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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   21 Aug 2012, 23:34
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You should not START a sentence with "as + HELPING VERB + subject", or with "as + subject + HELPING VERB". in those instances, the sentence is better written with "like + SUBJECT".

Example:
as did his brother, james graduated at the head of his class --> wordy/awkward/inferior
like his brother, james graduated at the head of his class --> better.

you can eliminate all of (c), (d), (e) for this reason.
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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   22 Aug 2012, 02:46
why B is wrong?
I thought that "Like x,Y also" is an idom
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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   08 Nov 2018, 10:26
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RULES:
LIKE is used:
To compare 2 nouns
In Hypothetical situations
When there is no verb following LIKE.

Like followed by a VERB is always wrong...
So if we say, Like I said...this will be wrong usage as per the GMAT... "said" is a verb... it cannot be followed by
LIKE.

AS is used:
To compare actions / verbs / clauses / trends / prepositional phrases
To denote real situations
To denote functions/professions/ designations / jobs / roles etc


In the question we are comparing two nouns, hence LIKE is used...
In option B, also is redundant as LIKE conveys the intent
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Can someone explain why usage of 'As' is wrong?
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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   23 Dec 2021, 00:51
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Can someone explain why usage of 'As' is wrong?

The usage of as is not wrong in D and E.

These options just marginally lose out to option A on the basis of conciseness; as pointed out in posts above "also" isn't really needed.
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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   23 Dec 2021, 05:54
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Can someone explain why usage of 'As' is wrong?


Hello MayankDimri,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, the use of "as" is not incorrect.

The issue here is that since "as" is used to compare clauses and actions, the use of "as" means that the first element in the comparison must be a verb phrase, making Options D and E needlessly wordy.

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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   23 Dec 2021, 07:43
Thanks for the reply!

Apart from redundancy or conciseness related issues, I wanted to understand meaning wise are we directly comparing the 2 writers i.e. Hayden and Schubert (noun entities, which justifies usage of like for comparison) or the action of 'writing a great deal for stage' (clause, which justifies usage of 'As')?
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MayankDimri wrote:
I wanted to understand meaning wise are we directly comparing the 2 writers i.e. Hayden and Schubert (noun entities, which justifies usage of like for comparison) or the action of 'writing a great deal for stage' (clause, which justifies usage of 'As')?

Well, "like" is comparing the two nouns ("Haydn" and "Schubert") while "as" is comparing two actions (the act of "writing").

Both make sense here.

Let's take a simpler example:

i) Jack swims like Jill.

ii) Jack swims as Jill does.

Again, both these sentences are valid. In fact, it is important to note that in many cases (such as the one under consideration), both "as" and "like" work well.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this aspect of as/like. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.
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MayankDimri wrote:
Thanks for the reply!

Apart from redundancy or conciseness related issues, I wanted to understand meaning wise are we directly comparing the 2 writers i.e. Hayden and Schubert (noun entities, which justifies usage of like for comparison) or the action of 'writing a great deal for stage' (clause, which justifies usage of 'As')?


Hello MayankDimri,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, the core meaning here is that Haydn and Schubert are alike in that both wrote a great deal for the stage, and different answer choices convey this differently.

The answer choices that use "Like" directly compare the composers "Haydn" and "Schubert", and the ones that use "as" compare the act of writing a great deal for the stage, as done by Haydn and the same act as done by Schubert.

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Re: Like Haydn, Schubert wrote a great deal for the stage, but he is remem [#permalink] New post   11 Jan 2022, 03:29
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Can I say that (C) is incorrect because it uses "has" while we have the verb "wrote" in the sentence? If (C) had "did" then it would refer back to "wrote"?
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Can I say that (C) is incorrect because it uses "has" while we have the verb "wrote" in the sentence? If (C) had "did" then it would refer back to "wrote"?

Very nice analysis Hoozan!

In that case, option A would still win marginally on the basis of concision.
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Can I say that (C) is incorrect because it uses "has" while we have the verb "wrote" in the sentence? If (C) had "did" then it would refer back to "wrote"?


Hello Hoozan,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, replacing "has" with "did" would make C grammatically correct; "has" cannot refer to "wrote" because "wrote" is a simple past tense verb, and "has" is used as a helping verb with the present perfect tenses, however, "did" can refer to simple past tense verbs.

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How can one eliminate C definitively?

I picked C by reasoning that Schubert's work may have preceded Haydn's and therefore the tenses need not agree.

Appreciate your thoughts!
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How can one eliminate C definitively?

I picked C by reasoning that Schubert's work may have preceded Haydn's and therefore the tenses need not agree.

Appreciate your thoughts!

That might make sense logically, but (C) would still be using a present perfect placeholder ("has") to refer to a past tense verb ("wrote"). At best, that's very confusing.

(A) eliminates that point of confusion entirely, making it the better choice. Does that mean that (C) breaks some sacred grammar rule about placeholder verbs? Probably not -- and I wouldn't recommend trying to invent grammar rules on the GMAT. Very few rules apply universally on this exam. All you really need to recognize is that (C) is far more confusing than (A), and that's it.

I hope that helps!
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