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970. Lincoln, discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, knew how to use a good story to generate good will.
(A) Lincoln, discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, knew
(B) Discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, Lincoln knew
(C) Lincoln, discovering the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned in young manhood before him, knew
(D) In young manhood Lincoln discovered the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him;
(E) Lincoln, discovered in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him, knew
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Because "had learned happend" before he discovered. The typical case of an action happend in the past beofre another action.
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in E knew is not needed. I pick D. OA please?
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I'll pick C. OA plz?
My 2 cents
Here, most of the correct options use past tense 'knew' and Yankee is suppose to know the secret before Lincoln knew
(A) Lincoln, discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, knew ---> present perfect changes the meaning. (only past tense learned or past perfect had learned would be correct)
(B) Discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, Lincoln knew
(C) Lincoln, discovering the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned in young manhood before him, knew --> correct -- knowing is a consequence of discovering earlier
(D) In young manhood Lincoln discovered the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him; --> ; unnecessary
(E) Lincoln, discovered in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him, knew --> discovered and knew would have been correct acc to me.
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21 Mar 2013, 03:47
THIS is beautiful.
I aggree C. "had done" in C happen before "discovering"which is at the same time with "knew" . This situation is good, I think
pls comment. This question is nice
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21 Mar 2013, 05:22
thangvietnam wrote: THIS is beautiful.
I aggree C. "had done" in C happen before "discovering"which is at the same time with "knew" . This situation is good, I think
pls comment. This question is nice My bet is on E (E) Lincoln, discovered in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him, knew Something was done before something else - Both in past. So there has to be a past perfect, hence the use of "Had Learned" makes sense!
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Quote: surya quote :My bet is on E
(E) Lincoln, discovered in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him, knew
Something was done before something else - Both in past. So there has to be a past perfect, hence the use of "Had Learned" makes sense! E is outright wrong .in fact in present state all options are outright wrong !!! i guess D has been wrongly typed here like this .the semicolon at the end sud have been a colon instead !!! that change wud make D the best choice !! D sud have been : In young manhood Lincoln discovered the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him:how to use a good story to generate good will.
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Those who have not chosen C: what is the problem with C
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aditya8062 wrote: Quote: surya quote :My bet is on E
(E) Lincoln, discovered in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him, knew
Something was done before something else - Both in past. So there has to be a past perfect, hence the use of "Had Learned" makes sense! E is outright wrong .in fact in present state all options are outright wrong !!! i guess D has been wrongly typed here like this .the semicolon at the end sud have been a colon instead !!! that change wud make D the best choice !! D sud have been : In young manhood Lincoln discovered the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him:how to use a good story to generate good will.We cant change the options!
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Can someone please post the OA with the right explanation! I am running out of patience!
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Quote: daagh wrote :Those who have not chosen C: what is the problem with C C is changing the meaning :it was lincoln in his young manhood who did this leaning not that other guy as propounded by C
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Quote: We cant change the options! D as it is wrongly written !!!
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@surya167 (E) Lincoln, discovered in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him, knew how to use a good story to generate good will. In terms of meaning and construction, E is a poor sentence. 1. If Lincoln had dissevered something then we cannot put a comma after Lincoln. It looks as if Lincoln was discovered. 2. Per se, the sentence is a run on with just a comma but not a conjunction between him and knew. In this case Lincoln has two verbs, 1. Discovered 2. Knew. In order to avoid this trap, C, rightly converts the discovered in to a present participial modifier – discovering- that rightly modifies Lincoln As others have pointed out, A and B have tense problem, D has punctuation problem. C is the best
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Quote: daagh wrote :As others have pointed out, A and B have tense problem, D has punctuation problem. C is the best firstly C is wrongly changing the meaning and secondly the original poster has wrongly copied this question .
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Lincoln, discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, knew how to use a good story to generate good will.
(A) Lincoln, discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, knew
(B) Discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him, Lincoln knew
(C) Lincoln, discovering the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned in young manhood before him, knew
(D) In young manhood Lincoln discovered the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him:
(E) Lincoln, discovered in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him, knew
the correct question is this .i dont understand why do people put wrong question !!!
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It was not Lincoln who learnt first; it was the Yankee peddler who had learnt before Lincoln did. All the five choices mention that clearly by placing the learning right next to Yankee peddler. And had learned acts as the verb of the Yankee peddler, the subordinate clues introduced by connector –that- Lincoln only discovered that secret. Otherwise, how can we agree to the use past perfect? Secondly if one logically follows the use of the reference of the pronoun –him- one will get the picture rightly. Let us replace Him with both subjects0 Lincoln and the peddler. I am using Choice D to illustrate that. D) In young manhood Lincoln discovered the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him Lincoln D) In young manhood Lincoln discovered the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned before him Yankee peddler. One can see which makes sense So there is no change in the meaning of the choices; only other problems remain
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It is frustrating to see so much of discussion on a wrong transcription
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Daagh trust me i am trying 100 percent to make a meaningful contribution . let me make one last try
oki i will explain how C is changing the meaning
C says : Lincoln, discovering the secret that the Yankee peddler had learned in young manhood before him, knew
look at that bolded portion .what does it suggest ? it suggest that Yankee peddler had learned in young adulthood before Lincoln
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A says : Lincoln, discovering in young manhood the secret that the Yankee peddler has learned before him
it suggest that Lincoln discovering in young adulthood ....
so there is definitely change of meaning
make sense ?
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My reply to you was on who learnt first. It was not Lincoln, but the peddler. That was the pith of my point. The phrase, -in young manhood-- modifies Lincoln, but IMO is not as critical as the blatant error as in the original flawed D. Hope you get my point.
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Quote: My reply to you was on who learnt first. It was not Lincoln, but the peddler. well that was not my contention either !! i knew this thing as past perfect is used in the sentence Quote: The phrase, -in young manhood-- modifies Lincoln, but IMO is not as critical as the blatant error well change of meaning is not permitted unless the original meaning is nonsensical Quote: original flawed D i have already told u that someone (the original poster ) has wrongly copied the question .
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