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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A. 1/3x
B. x/(x-3)
C. (x-1)/3x
D. x/(x-1)
E. (x-1)/x
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Last edited by Bunuel on 31 Aug 2013, 04:35, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Wrk Problem [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2010, 20:14
Answer is C -- (x-1/3x)

Given details:

Rate at which L work --1/x
Rate at which L&J work -- x

Rate at which J alone works -- (x-1/x)

Rate at which J alone works in 20 min. -- (x-1/x) * (20/60) => (x-1/x)*(1/3)

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Lindsay can pain 1/x of a room in an hour. Joe and Lindsey together can paint a the room in an hour. Using x what part of the room can Joseph paint in 20 min


A 1/3x
b X/(x-3)
c X-1/3x
d x/x-1
E: x-1/x


If Lindsay can paint \frac{1}{x} of a room in 1 hour and together they pain the whole room in 1 hour then Joe can pain1 1-\frac{1}{x}=\frac{x-1}{x} of a room in 1 hour --> in 20 minute or in \frac{1}{3} of an hour Joe can paint \frac{x-1}{3x} of a room.

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Re: Wrk Problem [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2010, 08:54
bunuel u always hit the nail to the point.......very easy explanation....thanks
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Re: Wrk Problem [#permalink] New post 28 Oct 2011, 15:31
Just wondering,

if the job took say, 2.5 hours to complete, how would the answer change?

I understand your working though Bunuel, it's very clear.
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Re: Wrk Problem [#permalink] New post 02 May 2013, 11:00
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Just wondering,

if the job took say, 2.5 hours to complete, how would the answer change?

I understand your working though Bunuel, it's very clear.




If the job takes Joseph and Lindsay 2.5 hours together to complete.

and Lindsay take as regular 1/x hours to complete.

Then the rate at which Jospeh works would be = 1/2.5 - 1/x
= (x - 2.5) / (2.5x)

Hence, in 20 minutes

2.5 hours = 150 mins, so in 20 mins he would complete : 2 / 15 * (x - 2.5 ) / (2.5 x )
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Re: Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour [#permalink] New post 08 May 2013, 16:17
if you use a smart number 2 for x, then A would be correct. I got this problem wrong two times so far in my studies and make the same mistake. Can someone explain why they would not think to use the number 2 as a smart number going into this problem?
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Re: Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour [#permalink] New post 08 May 2013, 20:51
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if you use a smart number 2 for x, then A would be correct. I got this problem wrong two times so far in my studies and make the same mistake. Can someone explain why they would not think to use the number 2 as a smart number going into this problem?


Have you checked Option C using x=2 ?

\frac{(x-1)}{3x} ----------> \frac{(2-1)}{3X2} ----------> \frac{1}{6} ------> Same as Option A
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lind [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2013, 08:07
Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A)1/3x

B)x/(x-3)

C)(x – 1)/3x

D)x/(x-1)

E)(x – 1)/x

I used substitution of values for the variable x, when x=2 i get an answer and when x=3 i get another answer! Please highlight my mistake. :cry:
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Re: A question in VICs [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2013, 10:21
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A)1/3x

B)x/(x-3)

C)(x – 1)/3x

D)x/(x-1)

E)(x – 1)/x

I used substitution of values for the variable x, when x=2 i get an answer and when x=3 i get another answer! Please highlight my mistake. :cry:



Wrong forum, but here we go:

Let x=2:

Lindsay paints 1/2 room in 1 hour. You can use the RTD formula. R*1=1/2, then R=1/2.

Let Joseph's rate = 1/y, they say that combined they can paint the room in 1 hour, so:

(1/2+1/y)*1=1, solve for y. Y is = to 1/6.

1/6 become your target value. Insert 2 in each answer choices, you will see that it only works for C. I think you made a mistake as you were not sure what was your actual target value.
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Re: A question in VICs [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2013, 22:23
Hi jinkev,

When x=2 is put in option A, ans =1/(3*2)=1/6. Also when x=2 in option C, ans=(2-1)/(3*2)=1/6. So how should i proceed now. Should I try with some other value for x?
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Re: A question in VICs [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2013, 00:29
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Well, I am not a fond of trying values or of backsolving methods.

So I will present different method to solve this one - Percent Method.


First some theory.
When we say a person can finish the given task in X hours, we can also say that he can finish \frac{100}{X}% task in one hour (Whole task always equals to 100%)
When we say another person can finish the same task in Y hours, we can also say that he can finish \frac{100}{Y}% task in one hour.
Finally we can say that they can finish (\frac{100}{X} + \frac{100}{Y})% task in one hour.

We will try this method in a simple question
Q :- A can finish certain work in 10 days. B can finish the same work in 20 days. In how many days can they finish the work working together?
A can finish certain work in 10 days ------> He can complete 10% of the work in a day
B can finish the same work in 20 days. -------> He can complete 5% of the work in a day
Working together they can complete (10+5)% work in a day.
Now that we know Total work always equals 100% and that they are finishing 15% work in a day working together, So we can say that they can complete the total work in \frac{100}{15} (i.e. 6.66) days.


Back to your question..........

Lindsay can paint \frac{1}{X} of a certain room in one hour. --------> This simply states that Lindsay can paint the room in X hours -----------> Lindsay can paint (\frac{100}{X})% of the room in one hour

Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour --------> Working together they can paint the 100% of the room in one hour

Equation is ( Rate of Lindsay of one hour + Joseph Rate of of one hour) = Rate of Lindsay+Joseph of one hour

\frac{100}{X} + Joseph Rate of of one hour = 100 -------> Joseph's Rate of one hour = 100 - \frac{100}{X} --------->

Joseph's Rate of one hour = \frac{100(X - 1)}{X} --------> We can rephrase this as Joseph is completing \frac{(100(X-1))}{X}% of 100% room in one hour ----------> In Fraction He is completing \frac{(100(X-1))}{100X} in one hour ------> \frac{(X-1)}{X}

what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes? ------------> what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in \frac{1}{3} hour? -------> \frac{1}{3} \frac{(x-1)}{x} -----> \frac{(x-1)}{3x}

Option C

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PS :- This question is already discussed here lindsay-can-paint-1-x-of-a-certain-room-in-one-hour-98789.html#p761312
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Re: A question in VICs [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2013, 00:50
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A)1/3x

B)x/(x-3)

C)(x – 1)/3x

D)x/(x-1)

E)(x – 1)/x

I used substitution of values for the variable x, when x=2 i get an answer and when x=3 i get another answer! Please highlight my mistake. :cry:


LINDSAY ==> 1/X of room in 1 hr
LINDSAY + JOSEPH ==> FULL ROOM i.e 1 ROOM IN 1 HR
JOSEPH 1 HR WORK + LINDSAY 1 HR WORK = FULL ROOM PAINTING = 1
JOSEPH 1 HR WORK + 1/X = 1
JOSEPH 1 HR WORK = 1- 1/X = (X-1)X
THEREFORE JOSEPH WORK IN 20 MINUTES(1/3 OF HOUR) =(1/3)*((X-1)/X) = (X-1)/3X

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Re: A question in VICs [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2013, 04:35
Thanks a lot people :) :) That was a good explanation..
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Re: A question in VICs [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2013, 17:12
Let Joseph rate of work in 1 hr be y
Given : Lindsay rate of work in 1 hr as 1/x

Together,

1/x + y = 1

So Joseph rate of work would be

y = 1 - 1/x ==> x-1/x

In 20 min(1/3 of an hour), it would be 1/3(x-1/x) ==> x-1/3x
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Re: Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lind [#permalink] New post 11 Aug 2013, 05:06
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Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A)1/3x

B)x/(x-3)

C)(x – 1)/3x

D)x/(x-1)

E)(x – 1)/x

I used substitution of values for the variable x, when x=2 i get an answer and when x=3 i get another answer! Please highlight my mistake. :cry:


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Re: Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2013, 14:24
Jinglander wrote:
Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour. If Lindsay and Joseph, working together at their respective rates, can paint the room in one hour, what fraction of the room can Joseph paint in 20 minutes?

A. 1/3x
B. x/(x-3)
C. (x-1)/3x
D. x/(x-1)
E. (x-1)/x

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1/x + 1/j = 1/1
or, j = x/(x-1) hours
x/(x-1) hours = 1 part
or, 20/60 hours = (x-1)/3x part
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Re: Lindsay can paint 1/x of a certain room in one hour [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2013, 15:58
1/x th of work-----1 hr
1 full work----------? hr --------x hrs by L to complete full work

Now xy/x+y=1
we have to find y i.e., hrs taken by J to complete full work

divide numerator and denominator of L.H.S with y
we get x divided by (x+y)*1/y=1
----x=(x+y)*1/y
----x=x/y+1
----x-1=x/y
----x-1/x=1/y
reciprocal both sides
----x/x-1=y


Now it takes x/x-1 hrs to complete 1 full work by J

then in 1/3 hrs i.e., 20 min----- ? work J completes

=1/3*1 whole divided by (x/x-1)
=1/3*(x-1/x)
=x-1/3x
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