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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 13:58
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I've only received the offer through email, and I'm not aware of any conditions
but I won't be able to tell for sure until I get the offer pack
will keep you posted :-D
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 14:06
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, I really appreciate it =)
so do you plan to work in London upon graduation? I heard LBS doesn't offer that many opportunities in the US, and I wonder if that's still the case


Hi lsl2125, that is exactly what my interviewer said about North America. You would be able to derive the most from the program by gaining some work experience in London, then moving back to North America later with the experience under your belt.
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 14:19
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my interviewer actually said that there're plenty of career opportunities worldwide, but he also admitted that it's been a while since he graduated...
i wouldn't have the option to go to the states without a job offer, as i'm not a US resident/citizen, so I'll be more limited to what I can find from overseas
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 14:37
Hi Isl2125 - My interviewer graduated a long time ago and felt that LBS was not well known in Canada at all at the time. People would ask him "is that school in London, Ontario?" (a small town in Canada). However, I think the situation would be different today and LBS would certainly be much more known and respected. Also, I would think that LBS would have more presence in the US than in Canada.

You can always transfer to the North American branch of a company. I read in another forum from an LSE alumnus that North Americans usually choose to work in London for a few years on the visa-extension, then ask to be transferred back! I think LBS would be the perfect stepping stone to that first job at a high-profile international company, regardless of your career path.


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my interviewer actually said that there're plenty of career opportunities worldwide, but he also admitted that it's been a while since he graduated...
i wouldn't have the option to go to the states without a job offer, as i'm not a US resident/citizen, so I'll be more limited to what I can find from overseas

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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 15:59
So many posts! :) I would try to give my opinions about the topics which have been brought up:

@anner,

Ohhh! :( Thinking that you would get a final decision today and getting that reply must s*ck! :( Well, best of luck in that interview! As KAS1986 mentioned, if they want more information from you, that means they are interested in you and she eventually got an offer! :D

@lsl2125 and @Yogotiger,

Actually I discussed in my interview the main aspects of LBS vs LSE vs HEC and why I thought LBS's Masters suited me best. I studied at LSE for 2 months (started a second bachelor there but realised it was not worth it) and the school is VERY overrated. Academically, everyone I know from LSE is quite disappointed with the classes, the professors are not THAT good. Do not get me wrong, compared with an average university, it is AMAZING. But I reckon it is not what we expect it to be. Moreover, the course at LBS is more practical as LBS is a Business School and LSE is a social-sciences university. As KAS1986 mentions, I want to get the key business knowledge, but to learn how to apply this knowledge along with boosting my inborn skills! I also want challenges! We can all learn from books, but the books do not teach us how to react in various situations. Therefore, I guess LSE would be better if you would like to continue a PhD in Management / Operational Research. On the other hand, LSE careers service is excellent!!! But I guess (I am sure actually!) that LBS's is too!
I do not know that much about Oxford (I have only been there 2 days for an interview), but I guess the links with the companies is not as good as LBS's, even though they must be very good too!
It is up to you. Research where students go after graduation and, taking into account the industry you would like to work in, take the school that suits you the best! However, I shall quote KAS1986 (after reading your post, I know why you got into LBS ;) ) "The social scene and small size of the school allows us to form relationships with those MBA students who will soon be in a position to hire us (or have contacts that already are)".

@Yogotiger
Are you sure about the 71000USD, figure? If you got it from the FT, I think it is 3 years after graduation... Even though we would end up with a MSc from LBS, we still have no / almost no working experience and we would start in ANY company from the bottom (ie: analyst, associate, etc.), not as a manager! Btw, I also come from an engineering background but, why do you need an internship (although it would be great if you could undertake one this summer!) if you would already have secured a job by Feb 2011? ;)
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 17:58
KAS1986 and Kitsune, thank you very much for your encouragement and support. It really means a lot to me.

@KAS1986: I must admit that at the time, I didn't understand why you felt so discouraged about this additional interview - I thought it was a great that they were taking so much interest in you. However, now I fully grasp the insecurity and anxiety that you must have also felt. I'm trying my best to relax (since I have exams and my thesis to worry about) and take it for what it is - I'll try my best on the follow-up but if it doesn't get me in, there's not much I can do.
Also, I'm really happy for you that you were accepted :)

@Kitsune: I'm sorry to make you spend so much time on that message ! logged off shortly after I sent it and just saw your pm's. :-D Yes, I meant what you said. To clarify, I meant that I wanted to improve my Japanese for future career purposes. You must be like what.. A quadrulingual?! WOW
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 20:51
@anner
Great idea! I may go for the UK--> US route then :-D

@kitsune
Thanks for your input! It's great to hear from someone who's studies at LSE before =)

So... does any one know if MiM and MBA are either/or? That will be super helpful, thanks!
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 21:19
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@sgrssr,

Sorry to hear that! :( I thought your profile was similar to mine but stronger (Engineering, around 1 year of WE) but you got a much higher GMAT score! Where are you from? I played the Canarian + Gay card A LOT, as they want diversity... You might hate the positive discrimination right now! :( Hopefully you would be admitted in the following rounds! Keep us posted!

Hey kitsune,

Thank you for your support and wishes. I guess there are so many factors beyond your control and there is nothing more one could do about it. I am an Indian with an engineering background (certainly nowhere close to an uncommon background :) ). But having said that, diversity can bring in only so much and I guess there might have been some issues in my essays/interview which did not entirely satisfy the ad-com. I am sure your profile was good enough stand alone and that's helped you with the admit. I can understand how much it meant to you after getting those few rejects previously and you totally deserved it. Congratulations once again !! :)

As with regards to the wait list, the mail says that my application would be reviewed on June 2nd. That's quite a long wait but the best part is that this date could be pushed back further. As of now, there is nothing to be optimistic about given that I have applied only to LBS this year.

But hey, I need to mention that this thread has been an amazing place for support & guidance and has helped me stay motivated in times of distress. You guys have been really amazing and I am truly happy for all of you. :) For those who are still confused between LBS and other schools, I hope you take the right decision by getting into the LBS :wink: You would certainly not want to miss this opportunity. Wishing you the very best in your lives at London!!

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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 21:28
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I must admit that at the time, I didn't understand why you felt so discouraged about this additional interview - I thought it was a great that they were taking so much interest in you. However, now I fully grasp the insecurity and anxiety that you must have also felt. I'm trying my best to relax (since I have exams and my thesis to worry about) and take it for what it is - I'll try my best on the follow-up but if it doesn't get me in, there's not much I can do.
Also, I'm really happy for you that you were accepted :)

Hey anner,

I can totally understand your situation. Its easier said than done, but the only thing you should do now is to think positive and look forward. You have a great profile and you should back your abilities to get through with an admit. It's still an opportunity and if it helps you could find solace in not being in a pretty bad state as mine. :)

All the very best for your interview and keep us posted on how it goes!!
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 21:46
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@sgrssr,
As with regards to the wait list, the mail says that my application would be reviewed on June 2nd. That's quite a long wait but the best part is that this date could be pushed back further. As of now, there is nothing to be optimistic about given that I have applied only to LBS this year.

But hey, I need to mention that this thread has been an amazing place for support & guidance and has helped me stay motivated in times of distress. You guys have been really amazing and I am truly happy for all of you. :) For those who are still confused between LBS and other schools, I hope you take the right decision by getting into the LBS :wink: You would certainly not want to miss this opportunity. Wishing you the very best in your lives at London!!


GOOD LUCK! I'm sure that you still have a high chance of getting accepted from the WL if you take the initiative to show how much you want to go to the school. That's what I did when I applied for college and I ended up getting into the college that I'm in now from the WL. So don't give up and I sincerely wish you all the best :-D :-D :-D
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 22:03
Hi Sgrssr,

Thank you very much for your encouragement. I just hate being in this purgatory and having to continue waiting!

I think that you should stay positive as well - You have a strong profile and the fact that you were waitlisted rather than flat-out rejected must mean something. I believe there is a good chance for those on the waitlist to secure a spot. Many students apply to multiple programs and some will inevitably turn down LBS for another a program they find more suitable for them. Please do let me know how it goes for you as well. :)
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2010, 04:12
@lsl2125,

Just my two cents. I have no idea of someone who has done a MiM and then a MBA, as the MiM is new. But I guess it is best not to think about a MBA right now... I would not see the point of doing a MiM now and then in 3 years a MBA. I am reading the MiM in order to get a job which is currently inaccesible to me! But your aims might be others. I might undertake a MBA in 7-8years time... it depends on my job / goals by then!

@anner,

C'mon! Yes YOU can! ;) Just try to keep motivated and transmit it to the interviewer! :) When is your follow-up interview? Best of luck, as always! :) 日本語を話すのために誰かがLBSに会いたい! :)
Btw, I'm not a quadrulingual!!! I just speak fluent Spanish and English... and I am almost fluent in French. There is a LONG way to go for the Japanese! :)

@sgrssr,

First of all, thanks mate! :D Regarding the WL, I was told by the Dean of Studies that WL means: "Your profile is great, we love it. But there is already someone with the same profile and we would prefer someone with a different background, nationality, career goals, etc. So, if we do not get someone outstanding and different, then you would get the offer". Or something like that. I guess that means that if you would have applied in R1, you would have got an offer? We will never know :( Best of luck!!! :) You cannot apply next year, do you? You would have more than 1 year WE? Are you working right now? Then you might consider working 4-5 years and then applying for a MBA! :) By the way, why didn't you apply to more schools?
It is really nice what you have said... but you should have discouraged everyone to accept their offers so you would get one! lol! :wink: Hopefully you will eventually get in! :)
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2010, 10:15
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@sgrssr,

First of all, thanks mate! :D Regarding the WL, I was told by the Dean of Studies that WL means: "Your profile is great, we love it. But there is already someone with the same profile and we would prefer someone with a different background, nationality, career goals, etc. So, if we do not get someone outstanding and different, then you would get the offer". Or something like that. I guess that means that if you would have applied in R1, you would have got an offer? We will never know :( Best of luck!!! :) You cannot apply next year, do you? You would have more than 1 year WE? Are you working right now? Then you might consider working 4-5 years and then applying for a MBA! :) By the way, why didn't you apply to more schools?
It is really nice what you have said... but you should have discouraged everyone to accept their offers so you would get one! lol! :wink: Hopefully you will eventually get in! :)

Thanks for the update man. Its interesting to speculate on what would have happened had I applied earlier, but I guess its best to leave it here to get some peace of mind :)

As far as the reason for why I applied only to LBS, I felt (and still feel) that only MiM course at LBS satisfied my needs. Initially I intended to apply to Msc courses at LSE & HEC Paris but somehow on closer analysis I felt it was the not the right fit for me. Obviously, there was no point doing the masters just for the sake of the degree without it helping you get to the next level in your professional career.

With regards to the options that I have presently, I have an offer from one of the BIG4 firms in their advisory services to join as an Associate Consultant. It is a pretty good option given that I want to start my career in consulting and I am quite tempted to take up the offer. But then I guess my mind is too cluttered right now and I want to take some time off before I take any decision. :)

@anner, @lsl2125 : Thank you for your wishes. Reiterates the greatness of this forum/thread/users. Frankly, I have never seen any online forum which has been so helpful & kind as this has been. Simply awesome :)
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2010, 12:50
Stay hopeful and don't take it personally. I know being on the WL is a sticky situation but you all are strong candidates who just need a bit of luck :)

@ kitsune
you brought up some pretty good points and I do agree that it seems a bit pointless to go for a MBA 2-3 years after getting a MiM. I guess I need to think more seriously about which route I'd like to take.

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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2010, 14:51
@sgrssr,

Well, if you have this amazing offer, I would go for it! It is in the field you would like to pursue your career in? Financial advisory or management/strategy consulting? You can work for 4-5years and then go to LBS for a MBA! :D I mean, the MiM would be a great experience, but you would eventually start with the same job you already have secured, wouldn't you? Anyway, just relax now :) Keep your mind off this stuff for a couple of days! :)
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2010, 18:48
Sgrssr,
I COMPLETELY agree with Kitsune- I think you should take that offer! This program is a good stepping stone to that first amazing job, but it isn't intended to be a substitute for the MBA . You would still start off at an entry-level analyst position. I for one know that I'm not competitive enough to land a job like that in Canada/US with only a science+econ undergraduate degree under my belt, which is why I want to pursue a masters to increase my employability. Unlike you, I don't have as much of a choice.

A masters is great asset, but I would have to argue that having outstanding work experience in your desired field is just as important (if not more - the Big Four name will take you far).

You've already gotten your first foot in the door, so I think you should take advantage of this opportunity. In my honest opinion, I think you should just work for a few years, and go for your MBA after at LBS. They may even sponsor your MBA if you progress naturally through their advancement hierchy which is a HUGE bonus (think about how much money you can save from your MBA tuition :shock: )

Congratulations on the job offer!!! You have NOTHING to worry about! :wink:


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@sgrssr,

Well, if you have this amazing offer, I would go for it! It is in the field you would like to pursue your career in? Financial advisory or management/strategy consulting? You can work for 4-5years and then go to LBS for a MBA! :D I mean, the MiM would be a great experience, but you would eventually start with the same job you already have secured, wouldn't you? Anyway, just relax now :) Keep your mind off this stuff for a couple of days! :)
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2010, 02:40
@sgrssr,

I COMPLETELY agree with anner! lol! I cannot have that kind of job right now, that is the reason I want to take the MiM, in order to be able to get what you already have! So just learn A LOT from that amazing work and then pursue a MBA! :) I envy you! :)
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2010, 21:46
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I can imagine what you are going through (have been in a similar situation!). Can just say , take up the Pwc offer (m i guessing right ?) for now and Lets hope for the best !. Sincerely wish that it all materializes and u join us !.

@anner

Just relax :) . KAS has been in that situation and we have every reason to believe that u ll make it too :) . ATB and keep us posted !
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2010, 22:01
@kitsune and lsl2125.

My 2 cents on the MiM vs MBA debate..

Apart from the business fundamentals , people usually go for an MBA to Network and Switch careers.With MiM giving us a head start into the career of our choice i am sure most of will never need to do another post grad.Of all the points discussed above we seem to have missed out on the fact that once a graduate from LBS u have lifelong access to their career services !They have an internal job portal which is accessible to all alumni and which has postings for people at all stages of their career. Also , we will be a part of a 30,000 strong LBS community and i am sure our contacts ,performance and the LBS Brand will hold us in good stead in our future career.

Last but not the least, should any of us decide to switch AGAIN and go for an MBA , i don't see a reason why MiM will be a hurdle (I have seen people do 2 MBA's in life for various reasons).In a nutshell , if u r happy with your career progression (have a job and enjoying it !) then MBA may be the right thing for u. But if u looking for that big break in a top firm or wish to switch your career early on (the case with me --I currently work for Oracle R & D , but i feel consulting is where i really belong !) , MiM is the way to go !
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Re: LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL MASTERS IN MANAGEMENT 2011 [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2010, 22:17
@YogoTiger

I second Kitsune.The figure of 71000 USD is for LSE's 2 year MSc in Management and Strategy program (with the CEMS option) and 3 years down the line after graduation.

I am sure LBS MiM when 3 years older will be right on the top.For me , MiM is less about the salary figures , but having the opportunity to involve in exciting work of my choice over the next few years.Money will come , it always does.

@lsl2125

" b/c many alum felt unsure about the MiM program and hesitated to volunteer as interviewers"

That's kinda surprising !. My interviewer is a headhunter for EZI (World's No.1 Senior Executive Search firm) and he was very positive and upbeat about the program.Others ( including Guillaum Verdier) have also consulted with very senior executives and headhunters and all have given their thumbs up to the program.So i guess there is nothing to worry about. With time the reputation and recognition for early stage MiM degrees is only destined to grow !Cheers !

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