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09 Jul 2014, 13:43
Do b-schools take a look at Post-Graduate GPA's in addition to UG GPA's? I had a 3.0 GPA in UG from a top-5 school in Canada, which was mostly because I opted for essay courses wherever possible to build transferable skills. Essay courses are marked much harder than multiple-choice courses, with all of my professors stating that any essay receiving over 80% was worthy of being published in their eyes.

However, I did a 1-year Post-Graduate marketing course at a community college and maintained a 3.7 (it might be worth mentioning that my WE is all in marketing, and I'm going to be applying specifically for marketing).

Would this help the adcomm's in overlooking my 3.0?
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What about credit courses offered by Coursera in Calculas [only 5 subjects available(newly introduced)] and credit course of 'Berkely Hass Extended online' offering grades (Very costly 800$per subject). In case of Berkely if it is ok to join the online credit course, is it advisable to join graduate courses or certification courses or undergrad courses to prove about your competency inspite of low undergrad GPA (all offer credit and grades)? Since I am not an US resident ,here, community college system is not prevalent. If the online course is the best or only option, then take it. It may not be optimal, but it still shows that you are attempting to get ready for b-school and improve your quant skills. Obviously you want to do well in it or it won't mitigate the low GPA from college. It will just reinforce the impression made by your transcript. If, however, you have a low GPA and a choice between taking an online course and a traditional graded course, then go with the traditional graded because that is most like what you will be doing. Best, Linda _________________ Linda Abraham Accepted ~ The Premier Admissions Consultancy 310-815-9553 Co-Author of: MBA Admission for Smarties: The No-Nonsense Guide to Acceptance at Top Business Schools Follow Accepted on Twitter Friend Accepted on Facebook Subscribe to Accepted's Blog MBA Admissions Consultant Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Posts: 5246 Location: Los Angeles CA Followers: 74 Kudos [?]: 514 [1] , given: 71 Re: LOW GPA: What you can do [#permalink] ### Show Tags 10 Jul 2014, 21:04 1 This post received KUDOS Expert's post CW32 wrote: Do b-schools take a look at Post-Graduate GPA's in addition to UG GPA's? I had a 3.0 GPA in UG from a top-5 school in Canada, which was mostly because I opted for essay courses wherever possible to build transferable skills. Essay courses are marked much harder than multiple-choice courses, with all of my professors stating that any essay receiving over 80% was worthy of being published in their eyes. However, I did a 1-year Post-Graduate marketing course at a community college and maintained a 3.7 (it might be worth mentioning that my WE is all in marketing, and I'm going to be applying specifically for marketing). Would this help the adcomm's in overlooking my 3.0? The admissions committee will not overlook your undergraduate GPA from a top school, but they will notice that you got a 3.7 in your post-college classes. They will also realize that you did so presumably while working full-time. And they will also realize that most community college classes are not as demanding as classes at a top 5 school. So that market course will probably mitigate, but it won't erase. A competitive GMAT will also help. Best, Linda _________________ Linda Abraham Accepted ~ The Premier Admissions Consultancy 310-815-9553 Co-Author of: MBA Admission for Smarties: The No-Nonsense Guide to Acceptance at Top Business Schools Follow Accepted on Twitter Friend Accepted on Facebook Subscribe to Accepted's Blog Intern Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 3 Location: India Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 4 Re: LOW GPA: What you can do [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Jul 2014, 16:20 Thanx....But what about the level of course to take? Undergrad level courses or Grad level? Intern Joined: 13 Jul 2013 Posts: 29 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 3 [0], given: 1 Re: LOW GPA: What you can do [#permalink] ### Show Tags 13 Jul 2014, 05:17 Here are my AUD$0.02…

Why on earth does your GPA count towards anything for your mba application? Take me for example. My undergrad marks are pretty crappy…that’s because I was chasing girls, getting drunk and taking drugs every night. This was 6-7 years ago. So what…I was 18-22 and doing what an 18-22 year old does!

Now does a b school think that I’m going to have the same attitude when it comes to my MBA? Given that I’m forking out $100k plus forgoing my lost income while I study? I don’t get it! Also, building an alternative transcript by taking extra courses, subjects that you’ll learn in your mba, in the hope to score high marks and show adcom you’re not dumb…might be the most loser-ish thing to do! Go spend your time, money and effort and gain some life experiences and build yourself personally. That way you’ll at least have some compelling essays to write! Feel free to give me another warning with no explanation if you don’t like this post! Assman out! MBA Section Director Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 3505 Location: India GPA: 3.8 WE: Marketing (Energy and Utilities) Followers: 1436 Kudos [?]: 10974 [3] , given: 1856 LOW GPA: What you can do [#permalink] ### Show Tags 13 Jul 2014, 06:21 3 This post received KUDOS Expert's post Assman wrote: Here are my AUD$0.02…

Why on earth does your GPA count towards anything for your mba application? Take me for example. My undergrad marks are pretty crappy…that’s because I was chasing girls, getting drunk and taking drugs every night. This was 6-7 years ago. So what…I was 18-22 and doing what an 18-22 year old does!

Now does a b school think that I’m going to have the same attitude when it comes to my MBA? Given that I’m forking out \$100k plus forgoing my lost income while I study? I don’t get it!

Also, building an alternative transcript by taking extra courses, subjects that you’ll learn in your mba, in the hope to score high marks and show adcom you’re not dumb…might be the most loser-ish thing to do! Go spend your time, money and effort and gain some life experiences and build yourself personally. That way you’ll at least have some compelling essays to write!

Feel free to give me another warning with no explanation if you don’t like this post!

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Why on earth does your GPA count towards anything for your mba application? Take me for example. My undergrad marks are pretty crappy…that’s because I was chasing girls, getting drunk and taking drugs every night. This was 6-7 years ago. So what…I was 18-22 and doing what an 18-22 year old does!

Chasing girls, getting drunk and taking drugs every night is not what every 18-22 year old does.
Your undergrad score has less importance as you get older. Undergrad scores for a 30 year old applying to business school will probably not have the same importance as for a 24 year old. The average age at HBS is 24-25. Would you discount the undergrad experience then? Because it is only 2 years out.

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Also, building an alternative transcript by taking extra courses, subjects that you’ll learn in your mba, in the hope to score high marks and show adcom you’re not dumb…might be the most loser-ish thing to do! Go spend your time, money and effort and gain some life experiences and build yourself personally. That way you’ll at least have some compelling essays to write

"Loser-ish" is quite a perspective thing, don't you think? Nobody thinks taking alternative courses and getting life experiences are mutually exclusive. If you have traditionally scored low in quant courses and your GMAT quant is not that great, taking few quant courses will probably help in dispensing the doubts in the adcom's mind about your analytical abilities. Also taking alternative courses which are exactly the same as things that you are going to learn in your B School may seem counter productive but it may be a pretty cool thing to do if you have the time. I hear B School is extremely engaging in general. It does not harm to have the basics in place.

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13 Jul 2014, 21:06
Do schools care what classes you have taken?

For example, in my case, I took mostly advanced 400-level math courses throughout my senior year in college and this resulted to subpar gpa.

Looking at my transcript, would the adcom give me a pass for taking more challenging courses, instead of per say gpa booster courses?

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13 Jul 2014, 23:32
Do schools care what classes you have taken?

For example, in my case, I took mostly advanced 400-level math courses throughout my senior year in college and this resulted to subpar gpa.

Looking at my transcript, would the adcom give me a pass for taking more challenging courses, instead of per say gpa booster courses?

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Yes. they care what classes you took, but they don't expect you to take classes that you shouldnn't have taken because they were too hard or you didn't have appropriate pre-reqs. Nonetheless they will consider the rigor of your curriculum.

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Thanx....But what about the level of course to take? Undergrad level courses or Grad level?

That depends. What's the purpose of your taking the classes? How you did in your previous classes? And if you have the pre-reqs for graduate classes. If you are taking classes to prepare for business school and create an alternative transcript because you don't have a background in business, you can take undergrad classes.

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14 Jul 2014, 12:52
Hmm.....Thanx every1 for ur replies...Makes me more clear on what I need to do.... Being from a different country doesn't help...In India the whole grading system is completely different and having lowish GPA on a different scale made me wonder how will the adcom view my app... So, if an international transcript can make my position more clearer to them so be it....
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14 Jul 2014, 16:40
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Hmm.....Thanx every1 for ur replies...Makes me more clear on what I need to do.... Being from a different country doesn't help...In India the whole grading system is completely different and having lowish GPA on a different scale made me wonder how will the adcom view my app... So, if an international transcript can make my position more clearer to them so be it....

You're welcome. You may find this resource helpful: http://reports.accepted.com/against_the ... applicants .

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17 Jul 2014, 13:55
First off, I just want to say that souvik101990 is awesome and I agree with everything he has to say. However, I would like to share my personal (negative) experience on having a low-ish undergrad GPA.

In terms of numbers, I have a 3.2 GPA STEM undergrad. I'm over 30, so my undergraduate record is well over 10 years old. I also have 45 credits (50% more than what is needed for a masters degree) of graduate coursework with a 3.8 GPA, also STEM. And lastly, I have a 740 GMAT.

Largely, I feel that if you don't fall within the 80% range of a class profile (whether it's GPA or GMAT), you'll have a hard time getting in, unless there's something else outstanding about your profile. I was rejected by a top 20 school (haha okay, more than one) and they specifically told me it was due to my undergraduate GPA. To even quote an admissions officer: "I know it’s frustrating because you can’t go back in time and change your undergraduate record."

I encourage future applicants to aim for schools where you do fall within the 80% of the class profile. Schools such as Cornell and Duke have lower incoming GPA than other schools of similar caliber, if I recall correctly. (Be aware that the chart on the first post of this thread is outdated). If you have a lower GPA (or GMAT), the schools will need to report a lower 80% range, so make sure you have something extra special about yourself to compensate for being in the bottom 10%.
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I really have a very low GPA(2.33). I did my undergrad from India(Here we have a gpa out of 10 in which I got 5.82). I want to know what are my options?(even if I score well in my GMAT(around 750ish as I am pretty good in aptitude).
This was mostly due to me going by herd mentality and opting for civil engineering so that I could just go into the college with the best reputation. I didn't like my core discipline. Hence I did relatively well in the common subjects like physics and chem in the beginning of the semesters, and my gpa started declining after my 3rd semester.
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I really have a very low GPA(2.33). I did my undergrad from India(Here we have a gpa out of 10 in which I got 5.82). I want to know what are my options?(even if I score well in my GMAT(around 750ish as I am pretty good in aptitude).
This was mostly due to me going by herd mentality and opting for civil engineering so that I could just go into the college with the best reputation. I didn't like my core discipline. Hence I did relatively well in the common subjects like physics and chem in the beginning of the semesters, and my gpa started declining after my 3rd semester.

Jhonnytorrio,

What schools are you interested in attending? What do you want to do with your MBA?
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I want to know what are my options in b-school even if I get a good score. My main aim is to venture in the field of general management or consulting.

PS: Sorry. I can't quote your reply(It can't be done till I have written 5 posts)
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Since they are both indicative of your academic performance, GPA can generally be supported by (and in some extreme cases completely substituted with) a good GMAT score. If you have got low scores on both, it is a sign to the admission committee that you may find difficulty to stay competitive from a courses/grades perspective.

In all cases, everything on the application can be forgiven if something else is awesome. The only thing, from I have come to know so far, that is hard to forgive is a poor extracurriclar record. Don't take that information for granted, but it seems that it's the only one thing all students across b-schools have in common
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Ok, So I have a low Undergrad GPA from Pakistan but then I have a really good MSc GPA which i did from England.

How much weight will my MS carry to offset my low Undergrad GPA?
I had a 2.82, should I apply to schools who admit a mean GPA of more than 3?
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I want to know what are my options in b-school even if I get a good score. My main aim is to venture in the field of general management or consulting.

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Jhonny,

Sorry for my late reply.

Please see Overcoming Weaknesses: Low Stats for several articles with tips on how to overcome a low GPA. Your grad GPA will definitely help you, as will above average progression on the job. Aim for schools where your GMAT is clearly above average and that support your goals. So if you get a 750 or something close to it, apply to programs like Darden, Ross, Cornell Johnson, Duke, Yale, and Emory.

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Ok, So I have a low Undergrad GPA from Pakistan but then I have a really good MSc GPA which i did from England.

How much weight will my MS carry to offset my low Undergrad GPA?
I had a 2.82, should I apply to schools who admit a mean GPA of more than 3?

I can't recommend schools to you without having a clue what you want to do in the future or what you have done in the past other. In other words, your GPA is not enough info. I can tell you that your masters GPA will mitigate the impact of the undergrad GPA provided it is combined with a strong GMAT or GRE. In addition you will need strong work experience, evidence of leadership or management ability, and a clearly thought out goal that requires an MBA.

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Ok, So I have a low Undergrad GPA from Pakistan but then I have a really good MSc GPA which i did from England.

How much weight will my MS carry to offset my low Undergrad GPA?
I had a 2.82, should I apply to schools who admit a mean GPA of more than 3?

For your own good, I will have to be frank with you and tell you what I heared a previous HBS adcom once say. generally, they don't rule out UG's GPAs even when combined with a good MS GPA mainly because most MS grads get high GPAs; so UG GPAs definitely give a different way to view applicants' academic performance. However, it is far better to get a good MS GPA than nothing or even worse, a lower MS GPA. Going forward, you have to understand that if you are aiming for a top 10, 20, or even 30 (Judging by the school selections on your profile), you should not have any other major weaknesses beside your GPA.

I am not the most experienced in terms of applicants candidacy, but I can give you my suggestions based on what I learned from my story

1. You need to get a high GMAT score, higher than the average of the schools you are applying to. This, along with your good MS GPA, will offset you low UG GPA.
2. You must have a good reason (regardless if it represents your real goal) why you want MBA. You should clearly show to the school why you want to pursue your short-trem goals (after you told them what they are) and, most importantly, why getting an MBA is an amportant step to achieve that goal.
3. When you apply to a certain school, put some extra effort in searching what is special about this school and try to show it the school to, at least, prove that you are a good fit in terms of culture. I share a similar profile (I have a bad GMAT score) and I had to search a lot, visit the school and attend classes, and interview with students to write the most "made-for-this-school-specifically" type of essays. The outcomes were pretty satisfying I guess (I got in!).
4. After doing the above, spend every single bit of energy remaining in beefing up your extracurricular activities and community leadership. This is like an open-ended file that sets no limits to what you can impress the school with. Don't save any effort here.
5. If you feel like your struggling with the details of the above points or in the applicantions in general, it doesn't hurt to reach out for an expert. Consultants and people here can pave the road for you as you are dealing with many things all the same time.

all the best making the best out of your skillsets. Let me know if you have any question.
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