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How much would using LSAT prep material help for getting to an expert level on GMAT?
The premise being that LSAT questions are harder and so getting comfortable with them would make GMAT questions seem easy. And if the answer is yes whats the best LSAT material that should be used?

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I would highly recommend for you to use LSAT CR and RC materials to study for GMAT. It was really helpful to me. I gone from a low 30's (before LSAT) to a low 40's on GMAT verbal. Also, I no longer have any timing issue with GMAT verbal once I did my LSAT. I usually finished 10 mins early and I always have time to read the RC passage twice. Yes, there are easy LSAT question b/c inorder to get a 97 - 99 percentile on a GMAT(minimum for Ivy League Law school), you need to get atleast 89/101 questions right, therefore LSAT need to give you some easy questions or else test takers will prob get brain damaged if you have to do GMAT CR or LSAT CR 95 percentile level questions for 4 hours under tremendous pressure.

CR: I would recommend for you to do only LSAT CR (inference, assumption, weakened, and strengthen question) and ofcourse RC. There are many more LSAT CR question types than GMAT such as method of reasoning and parallel reasoning. you don't need to know that. LSAT language is much more complicated than the GMAT especially on the difficult question. I would suggest to borrow an LSAT prep book from your friend who took an LSAT class. Those prep book will compile atlest 200 CR questions for each LSAT CR question type (like 200 inference questions, 200 assumption questions). Those are amazing for you.

As for RC, LSAT RC is more complicated than GMAT. For anyone who doubt this, try looking at LSAT DEC 09, 3rd RC passage about sculpture and art history. LSAT is hard b/c of the wording of their question and answer choice. The devil is in the detail. The passage is usually not too complicated, its the answer choice and questions that can be extremely tricky. It is very subtle compare to GMAT. I used to have prob with GMAT RC, but after I finished LSAT RC, I consistently got a perfect score on RC on every practice test. GMAT RC questions are much more forgiving than LSAT. I would recommend anyone who struggles with RC to read the economist article actively. Meaning that you should always notice subtleties in author tone, author can say things like "this scientist ambitious project to decode human genome is under scrutiny by some critics". When you see the word (adj) ambitious, you should instantly be aware that this author likes this scientist, since he describe the project as ambitious. Then you should know the main point of the passage. Lastly, know any distinction or shift in authors narrative. (some critics say this, other say that, both of them are wrong, or I agree with the first critics). This comes up all the time on LSAT. I'm sure GMAT too. If you can do this, I'm sure you'll be golden for GMAT CR and RC.
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You can buy LSAT old tests with kaplan explanation.

But don't start LSAT until you have finished OG12 and OG verbal.
Once you are done with LSAT tests, switch back to OG again to get use to GMAT material.
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I found LSAT helpful only for RC. Their CR seem to somewhat easier than GMAT-CR.

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"I have compared LSAT powerscore CR Bible to GMAT powerscore CR Bible, every single word is the same, except for some chapters, which are specific to LSAT only. "


Reply: I did not talk about powerscore CR bible or powerscore GMAT bible. The CR practice book that you can purchase online is not as good as the full length LSAT coursework book (such as Testmasters, Kaplan LSAT advanced) These courses will give you about 5500 real lsat questions ever released from 91 to 09. They also arranged into question types like inference, assumption, strengthen and weakened. They group their hw based on each CR question type like they'll give you 500 practices question solely on inference questions. Its more for a practice and improve your intuition. There are no tricks to do well on the test, you just have to learn their intuition and understand the test.

You can definitely transfer LSAT mentality to GMAT CR and RC. That's what I did and that's how i improved my score.
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2010, 03:37
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2010, 05:05
Completely agree with both comments above. Gurpreet's got the right plan too. Once you do both you'll see the difference between the two and even be able to guess correctly on quite a few whether they came from LSAT prep or GMAT prep.

LSAT prep materials will help your reasoning skills but if you can find enough GMAT CRs and RCs to complete your study plan and get your goal score in practice CATs, you wouldn't be at a disadvantage for never attempting an LSAT question.
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2010, 08:03
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You can buy LSAT old tests with kaplan explanation.

But don't start LSAT until you have finished OG12 and OG verbal.
Once you are done with LSAT tests, switch back to OG again to get use to GMAT material.


As someone who studies/studied for the LSAT, I have a lot of experience with LSAT material. I suggest that you start off with a book called SuperPrep written by the LSAC (makers of the LSAT). This contains 3 official tests with explanations by the writers of the test. This is the LSAT equivalent of OG because it is the only book in which the writers of the test explain why each answer choice is right or wrong.

Next, I would suggest buying a book of just LSAT Logical Reasoning or just LSAT Reading Comprehension questions, depending on where you need improvement. Make sure the book contains real LSAT questions and not one made up by test prep companies. Most books with real questions do not contain explanations, but you can find Kaplan explanations or search for discussion of that question on the internet.

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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2010, 09:14
I would recommend that you practice using LSAT material only after you have completely exhausted all good GMAT material.
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2010, 09:19
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You can buy LSAT old tests with kaplan explanation.

But don't start LSAT until you have finished OG12 and OG verbal.
Once you are done with LSAT tests, switch back to OG again to get use to GMAT material.


Are you suggesting finishing all of the OGs, then doing LSAT material, and then going back and re-doing OGs? Not saving some fresh OG for after?
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2010, 10:03
U should select LSAT only if have exhausted the OG's. By the time you will return back to OG's, after LSAT, you will forget most of the questions.

Moreover GMATPREP, MGMAT tests will have lot of fresh CR, RC questions. So do not worry about fresh material.
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2010, 10:16
Good point.

Although, I do worry about running out of fresh OG. I would only like to do "official" questions near the end, but I'm not sure how effective my studying will be if I am only doing repeat questions.
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2010, 01:54
Do LSAT CR questions differ from GMAT CR questions?
Why I am asking, because I saw several LSAT CR qs and they seemed to me quite difficult and a sort of non-GMAT.

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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2010, 03:23
I banged out a pretty high LSAT after ~6 months of studying. I scored a 97% percentile on the V section of the GMAT and I think I could have easily done better. The GMAT verbal seemed like a joke compared to the LSAT.
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2010, 08:34
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I banged out a pretty high LSAT after ~6 months of studying. I scored a 97% percentile on the V section of the GMAT and I think I could have easily done better. The GMAT verbal seemed like a joke compared to the LSAT.


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I banged out a pretty high LSAT after ~6 months of studying. I scored a 97% percentile on the V section of the GMAT and I think I could have easily done better. The GMAT verbal seemed like a joke compared to the LSAT.


What did you get on the LSAT?


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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2010, 09:38
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I would highly recommend for you to use LSAT CR and RC materials to study for GMAT. It was really helpful to me. I gone from a low 30's (before LSAT) to a low 40's on GMAT verbal. Also, I no longer have any timing issue with GMAT verbal once I did my LSAT. I usually finished 10 mins early and I always have time to read the RC passage twice. Yes, there are easy LSAT question b/c inorder to get a 97 - 99 percentile on a GMAT(minimum for Ivy League Law school), you need to get atleast 89/101 questions right, therefore LSAT need to give you some easy questions or else test takers will prob get brain damaged if you have to do GMAT CR or LSAT CR 95 percentile level questions for 4 hours under tremendous pressure.

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As for RC, LSAT RC is more complicated than GMAT. For anyone who doubt this, try looking at LSAT DEC 09, 3rd RC passage about sculpture and art history. LSAT is hard b/c of the wording of their question and answer choice. The devil is in the detail. The passage is usually not too complicated, its the answer choice and questions that can be extremely tricky. It is very subtle compare to GMAT. I used to have prob with GMAT RC, but after I finished LSAT RC, I consistently got a perfect score on RC on every practice test. GMAT RC questions are much more forgiving than LSAT. I would recommend anyone who struggles with RC to read the economist article actively. Meaning that you should always notice subtleties in author tone, author can say things like "this scientist ambitious project to decode human genome is under scrutiny by some critics". When you see the word (adj) ambitious, you should instantly be aware that this author likes this scientist, since he describe the project as ambitious. Then you should know the main point of the passage. Lastly, know any distinction or shift in authors narrative. (some critics say this, other say that, both of them are wrong, or I agree with the first critics). This comes up all the time on LSAT. I'm sure GMAT too. If you can do this, I'm sure you'll be golden for GMAT CR and RC.



I have compared LSAT powerscore CR Bible to GMAT powerscore CR Bible, every single word is the same, except for some chapters, which are specific to LSAT only.
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2010, 10:10
I think there is some confusion because when you type "LSAT CR" on this forum, it automatically converts it into a link that goes to the Powerscore LSAT Logical Reasoning Bible. This is really annoying because most times when LSAT CR is mentioned, it is NOT in reference to that book, which as previously mentioned is pretty much the same thing (word-for-word in most sections!) as the Powerscore GMAT Critical Reasoning Bible. Most times when LSAT CR is mentioned, it is in reference to actual LSAT problem sets (which are not really included with either bibles.) Can forum moderators remove the autolinking of the keywords "LSAT CR"?
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Re: LSAT for GMAT [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2010, 14:43
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The relevant books that I used were: Powerscore CR Bible, Powerscore LR Bible, Powerscore RC Bible, and LSAC SuperPrep.

Overall, LSAT questions and study guides are considered more difficult than GMAT ones. For the most part, however, these are not necessary for GMAT purposes. One can perform very well on the test by using GMAT-specific material. Manhattan and Powerscore offer great books for verbal. Combined with the OG questions, and participation in the forums, you can accomplish your goals.

However, you can certainly benefit a great deal from LSAT resources too. These are powerful tools. If you are extremely weak in RC and LR, or seriously want a 750-plus score, then it could be worth it.

Regarding questions, I don't think that your GMAT equilibrium will be thrown off by supplementing your studies with some LSAT questions.
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