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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 09 Jan 2010, 20:58
Neither is sufficient (E)

But if question mentions x is an integer then A is sufficient
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Is [m]x>3[/m] ? [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2010, 15:37
Is x>3 ?
1. (x-3)(x-2)(x-1) > 0
2. x > 1
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Re: Is [m]x>3[/m] ? [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2010, 16:08
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Is x>3 ?
1. (x-3)(x-2)(x-1) > 0
2. x > 1


Step 1 of the Kaplan Method for DS: Analyze the Stem

We see "is", we think "yes/no" question. So, if x is always greater than 3, sufficient; if x is never greater than 3, sufficient. If sometimes x is greater than 3 and sometimes it isn't, insufficient.

Step 2 of the Kaplan Method for DS: Evaluate the Statements

(2)x > 1. Well, x could be 1.5 ("no") or x could be 5 ("yes")... insufficient, eliminate B and D.

(1) for the product of 3 numbers to be positive, there are two possibilities:

(+)(-)(-)

or

(+)(+)(+)

so, we have to examine both cases.

In the first case, we could pickx = 1.5, giving us (-1.5)(-.5)(.5) which is greater than 0. Is 1.5 > 3? NO

In the second case, we could pick x = 5, giving us (2)(3)(4)which is greater than 0. Is 5 > 3? YES

Yes and no answer, insufficient: eliminate A.

Combined: x=1.5 and x=5worked for both statements, so they're both still valid choices. Accordingly, we can still get a NO and a YES answer: insufficient, choose E.

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Re: Is [m]x>3[/m] ? [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2010, 16:20
seekmba wrote:
Is x>3 ?
1. (x-3)(x-2)(x-1) > 0
2. x > 1


1.
x>3 and x>2 and x>1

therefore we don't know if x is greater than 3 because x could be greater than 1... INSUFFICIENT

2.
x>1

if x=2 the answer to the question is no, if x=4 answer to the question is yes -> INSUFFICIENT


combined, x>1, which is the same like B, therefore E

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Re: Is [m]x>3[/m] ? [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2010, 16:32
zisis wrote:
seekmba wrote:
Is x>3 ?
1. (x-3)(x-2)(x-1) > 0
2. x > 1


1.
x>3 and x>2 x>1

therefore we don't know if x is greater than 3 because x could be greater than 1... INSUFFICIENT



Not sure how you derived that inequality, but it's false (in fact, it's impossible.. there's no number greater than 1 that's also greater than two times itself).

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Re: Is [m]x>3[/m] ? [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2010, 18:38
Hey gurpreetsingh, thanks for the detailed explanation but this approach is difficult to absorb for my brain. I wish I could solve the questions in the manner you did....:(

I used the same approach as "zisis" and hence messed it up.

Thanks skovinsky. I should have done something like you showed.
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Re: Is [m]x>3[/m] ? [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2010, 04:02
Confusing but eazy question. Was able to solve in 1:20.
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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 13 Jan 2011, 15:09
E.

S1 gives three roots of equation
and is true in two conditions:
either all are positive or two of them are negative. If x is positive then equations are
x > 1 or x > 2 or x > 3 => x > 3
for two negative => 1 <x<2
insufficient
s2 says x> 1 insuff

combining together s2 does not give extra information and hence e

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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 13 Jan 2011, 20:46
tejal777 wrote:
I did it the pleonasm way!However could somebody explain me the concept of roots cos i didn't get the sign changing around values thing..

The polynomial has roots (x-2)(x-3)(x-1) . They are distinct, which means that the polynomial changes its sign around the roots. If is greater than 3, then it is positive. If is between 2 and 3 then it is negative, between 1 and 2, positive, and below 1, negative. x is therefore limited to (1,2)U(3,infinity)



Hey ,
here is my explanation. it might help you to understand.
here we go,

the question is
x>3 ?
statement 1:(x-1)(x-2)(x-3) >0

statement 2: x>1

starting with statement 1 :
FOR (x-1)(x-2)(x-3) >0
there are 3 condition for which this eq will be +ve
case 1: (x-1)>0 , (x-2) >0, (x-3) >0 ; on plotting the point on number line, we will get x>3 ( chk with no 4)
case 2: (x-1)<0, (x-2) <0, (x-3) >0 ;; on plotting the point on number line, we will get 2<x<1 ( chk with no 1.5)
case 3: (x-1)<0, (x-2) > 0, (x-3) <0; ; on plotting the point on number line, we will get 2<x<1 ( chk with no 1.5)
case 4: (x-1)>0, (x-2) < 0, (x-3) <0; ; on plotting the point on number line, we will get 3<x<2 ( chk with no 2.5)

so, from here we cant say that x>3.

statement 2: x>1;
doesn't say anything at all. (chk with x=1.5,2.5)

on combining these two statements we cant find anything as we will get the same case as said in CASE 4.

so, either of the statement cant answer this question alone or on combination.

so, final ans is E.

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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 17 Jan 2011, 01:35
Answer will be E. I is insufficient because X = (1,2) U (3,infinity) and II is also not sufficient as X> 1, in this cas X can be 1.5,2,2.5 etc.
combining I and II is not sufficient.
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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 21 Jan 2011, 01:19
S1 and S2 both are insufficient..answer must be E

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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2011, 02:46
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Just sketch the graph of y=(x-1)(x-2)(x-3) and get the answer E.


Can anyone explain how to do so?

How do we plot graphs to find the signs of the roots?

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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2011, 02:55
Hi,

I tried to explain the process in this post:
m03-70436.html#p624356

Let me know what exactly is not clear if anything.

gmatpapa wrote:
nvgroshar wrote:
Just sketch the graph of y=(x-1)(x-2)(x-3) and get the answer E.


Can anyone explain how to do so?

How do we plot graphs to find the signs of the roots?

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DS - inequalities [#permalink] New post 26 May 2011, 08:34
is x > 3

1.) (x-3)(x-2)(x-1)>0
2.) x > 1
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Re: DS - inequalities [#permalink] New post 26 May 2011, 08:45
IEsailor wrote:
is x > 3

1.) (x-3)(x-2)(x-1)>0
2.) x > 1


Q: x>3?

1.(x-3)(x-2)(x-1)>0
Roots: 1,2,3
Range: x>3; 1<x<2
Not Sufficient.

2. x>1
Not Sufficient.

Combining both;
x can be any number between 1 and 2 OR it can be greater than 3.
Not Sufficient.

Ans: "E"
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Re: DS - inequalities [#permalink] New post 26 May 2011, 08:46
Hi Fluke,
Can you pls explain in detail the reasoning behind the explanation of the first part.

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Re: DS - inequalities [#permalink] New post 26 May 2011, 08:52
IEsailor wrote:
Hi Fluke,
Can you pls explain in detail the reasoning behind the explanation of the first part.

Thnx


Did you see this:
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Please let me know if you don't understand the approach.

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Re: DS - inequalities [#permalink] New post 26 May 2011, 08:55
Thanks Fluke, This helps !!!
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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2011, 17:36
1. Not sufficient

(x-3)(x-2)(x-1) >0

x>3 x is greater than 3.

x>1 and x<2 => x is not greater than 3.

2. Not sufficient

x>1

x =2 =>x is not greater than 3
x =4 x is greater than 3.

together,

both the examples in 1 applies here as well. Still not sufficient.

Answer is E.
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Re: M03 #01 [#permalink] New post 17 Jan 2012, 06:11
Ans is E.
statement 1: x>3,x>2 and x>1 => not sufficient
statement 2: x>1 => not sufficient

together also both statement not sufficient. So ans is E
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