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# M24 #12 - formatting error

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09 Feb 2010, 09:03
Wow. Bunuel, fantastic explanation, as always .
Bunuel wrote:
zoinnk wrote:
Do lines $$y = ax^2 + b$$ and $$y = cx^2 + d$$ cross?

1. $$a = -c$$
2. $$b \gt d$$

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E

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What am I supposed to do w/ #2?

I'd like to comment on this one:

First of all: equations given ARE NOT ...

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11 Feb 2011, 07:20
GMAT exams are only based on real numbers.

If they allowed imaginary numbers that would only make the math more complex. Get it?!?
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11 Feb 2011, 08:13
A would have been the answer provided a=c not equal to zero
since, no condition is given hence, we cant its A.
and by using both statement together also we cant say whether it will cross or not.
if constants are not equal to zero, then the curve will cross each other.
if constants(a&C) are zero, then it is line with different value. wont cross each other.
and if, constant (all) are zero they will over lap.

so, the best answer is E.
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13 Feb 2011, 00:35
Please explain as to how did you get from 2ax^2 + (b-d) = 0 ----> to d=0 - 8a(b-d) >= 0....
and from (a-c)x^2 +(b-a) = 0 -----> to d = 0 - 4(a-c)(b-d) >= 0

This would help me see what I am missing. I understood the explanation but stuck at how the above equation for 'd' was derived.
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13 Feb 2011, 03:13
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Please explain as to how did you get from 2ax^2 + (b-d) = 0 ----> to d=0 - 8a(b-d) >= 0....
and from (a-c)x^2 +(b-a) = 0 -----> to d = 0 - 4(a-c)(b-d) >= 0

This would help me see what I am missing. I understood the explanation but stuck at how the above equation for 'd' was derived.

Second d (red part) stands here for the discriminant of a quadratic expression not the variable d.

Check this for more: math-coordinate-geometry-87652.html (Parabola chapter)
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13 Feb 2011, 23:38
Ahhhh i see...this makes more sense...thanks so much Bunuel!!!
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14 Feb 2011, 06:33
These are 2 paraboles.
Statement 1 (one of the paraboles is inverted depending on a negative or positive) ==> alone insufficient
Statement 2 Parobole 1 crosses 0 above Parabole 2 ==> alone insufficient
They would cross each other if a was negative. But as this information is not there ==> both statement insufficient

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16 Feb 2012, 18:08
I answered C, which upon further thinking was a careless mistake. To answer the question I tentatively drew out different scenarios for each equation.

With statement 1, the parabola can cross or not cross, it all depends on b and d (insufficient)

With statement 2, we don't have information on a or c, so they can still cross or not cross (insufficient)

When combining to the two statements, I made the mistake of assuming that a was positive and c was negative, which given statement 2, the two lines would not cross. I stupidly forgot about the opposite situation, where statement 1 would still be satisfied, but would give a different result.

Silly mistake.

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27 Feb 2012, 23:04
Hi I am getting c. Please see the attached image.. please expl this solution is not why this solution is not correct
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27 Feb 2012, 23:21
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Hi I am getting c. Please see the attached image.. please expl this solution is not why this solution is not correct

Please read the solutions above with algebraic as well as number plugging approaches showing that answer is E, not C.

The problem with your reasoning is that the case you've given is not the only possible one, there are the cases when the graphs do not intersect.

Consider the graphs y=x^2+1 and y=-x^2 to get answer NO:
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Consider the graphs y=-x^2+1 and y=x^2 to get answer YES:
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Hope it's clear.
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27 Feb 2012, 23:42
Yes I missed that .. Thanks
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15 Feb 2013, 06:17
Gr8 question.

E for me because the signs a, b, c, d are unknown even after combining both the conditions.

If a or c would had been given positive, then the answer could be determined.
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15 Feb 2013, 10:09
I thought the in geometry definition, parabolas are not consider lines.
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21 Apr 2014, 06:01
2 lines cross when there exists x so that (a-c)x^2=d-b (*)
1) a=-c: don't mention anything about the right side of (*) -> insufficient
2) b>d: if a<c: (*) has at least one root; if a>c: no root -> insufficient
Combine 2 stats: still insufficient coz we don't know whether a>c or not

Choose E
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