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M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

A. 1+y B. 1−y C. −1−y D. y−1 E. x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks. _________________

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16 Sep 2013, 01:36

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vaishnogmat wrote:

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

a) 1+y

b) 1−y

c) −1−y

d) y−1

e) x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks.

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}\)? A. 1+y B. 1-y C. -1-y D. y-1 E. x-y

Note that \(\sqrt{a^2}=|a|\). Next, since \(x<0\) and \(y<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\).

So, \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=\frac{|x|}{x}-\sqrt{(-y)*(-y)}=\frac{-x}{x}-\sqrt{y^2}=-1-|y|=-1+y\)

Answer: D.

Number plugging:

Since given that x and y are negative numbers, say x=-1 and y=-2. \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=-1-2=-3\). Now, plug x=-1 and y=-2 into the options to see which one yields -3. Only D fits. _________________

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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03 Jan 2014, 10:53

"Next, since x<0 and y<0 then |x|=-x and |y|=-y."

Hi Bunuel, can you help me with this explanation...I thought absolute values are ALWAYS positive? Using real numbers for x & y, say x = -1 and y = -2, then |x| = |-1| = 1 and |y|=|-2| = 2. How could |x| = -x?

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neehow wrote:

"Next, since x<0 and y<0 then |x|=-x and |y|=-y."

Hi Bunuel, can you help me with this explanation...I thought absolute values are ALWAYS positive? Using real numbers for x & y, say x = -1 and y = -2, then |x| = |-1| = 1 and |y|=|-2| = 2. How could |x| = -x?

Thanks.

Hi Neehow,

In the context of the question, we are given that x and y are both negative numbers.

The absolute value of a negative number is of course positive.

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10 Jan 2014, 13:11

Spoontrick wrote:

neehow wrote:

"Next, since x<0 and y<0 then |x|=-x and |y|=-y."

Hi Bunuel, can you help me with this explanation...I thought absolute values are ALWAYS positive? Using real numbers for x & y, say x = -1 and y = -2, then |x| = |-1| = 1 and |y|=|-2| = 2. How could |x| = -x?

Thanks.

Hi Neehow,

In the context of the question, we are given that x and y are both negative numbers.

The absolute value of a negative number is of course positive.

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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27 Feb 2014, 08:09

Regarding the question above in Bunnuel, I just don't understand why the y turns positive if the subtract sign is outside the absolute signs? Thanks always for providing the best descriptive answers online.

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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27 Feb 2014, 08:13

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demart78 wrote:

Regarding the question above in Bunnuel, I just don't understand why the y turns positive if the subtract sign is outside the absolute signs? Thanks always for providing the best descriptive answers online.

We are told that \(y\) is a negative number, thus \(|y|=-y\), so \(-1-y=-1-(-y)=-1+y\).

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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27 Feb 2014, 08:20

Bunuel wrote:

demart78 wrote:

Regarding the question above in Bunnuel, I just don't understand why the y turns positive if the subtract sign is outside the absolute signs? Thanks always for providing the best descriptive answers online.

We are told that \(y\) is a negative number, thus \(|y|=-y\), so \(-1-y=-1-(-y)=-1+y\).

Hope it's clear.

I still do not understand. If y is a negative number, once the absolute brackets go up around it, shouldn't it than be converted to a positive number?

Or because we are told that it is negative, we automatically assume that y<0 and hit it with the negative sign?

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27 Feb 2014, 08:30

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demart78 wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

demart78 wrote:

Regarding the question above in Bunnuel, I just don't understand why the y turns positive if the subtract sign is outside the absolute signs? Thanks always for providing the best descriptive answers online.

We are told that \(y\) is a negative number, thus \(|y|=-y\), so \(-1-y=-1-(-y)=-1+y\).

Hope it's clear.

I still do not understand. If y is a negative number, once the absolute brackets go up around it, shouldn't it than be converted to a positive number?

Or because we are told that it is negative, we automatically assume that y<0 and hit it with the negative sign?

It seems that you need to brush up fundamentals on absolute values.

When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\).

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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05 Mar 2014, 13:18

Bunuel wrote:

vaishnogmat wrote:

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

a) 1+y

b) 1−y

c) −1−y

d) y−1

e) x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks.

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}\)? A. 1+y B. 1-y C. -1-y D. y-1 E. x-y

Note that \(\sqrt{a^2}=|a|\). Next, since \(x<0\) and \(y<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\).

So, \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=\frac{|x|}{x}-\sqrt{(-y)*(-y)}=\frac{-x}{x}-\sqrt{y^2}=-1-|y|=-1+y\)

Answer: D.

Number plugging:

Since given that x and y are negative numbers, say x=-1 and y=-2. \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=-1-2=-3\). Now, plug x=-1 and y=-2 into the options to see which one yields -3. Only D fits.

Absolute value questions and I don't seem to be getting close friends anytime soon

Here's what still doesn't make sense to me: if x=-1, then why does \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}\) become -1?? i understand the rule that when x<0 then |x|=-x and that the square root of x is equal to |x| but in this case we already know that x is negative. So when taking the square root out of (-1)² then why do we not get x=-1 (as we initially said) and hence x/x=(-1)/(-1)=1? it's not quite intuitive for me to go from \(\frac{\sqrt{(-1)^2}}{-1}\) to -1. I thought we are taking the square root out of x² in order to determine x, which we already know to be negative, hence it should be -1 in this example. i just don't seem to get it ...

or is it just a convention/ rule that when using square roots in value expressions we only consider the absolute values of such expressions and that therefore \(\frac{\sqrt{(-1)^2}}{-1}\) becomes -1 because we are dividing the absolute value of x=|x|=|-1|=1 by x=-1?

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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06 Mar 2014, 03:19

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damamikus wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

vaishnogmat wrote:

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

a) 1+y

b) 1−y

c) −1−y

d) y−1

e) x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks.

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}\)? A. 1+y B. 1-y C. -1-y D. y-1 E. x-y

Note that \(\sqrt{a^2}=|a|\). Next, since \(x<0\) and \(y<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\).

So, \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=\frac{|x|}{x}-\sqrt{(-y)*(-y)}=\frac{-x}{x}-\sqrt{y^2}=-1-|y|=-1+y\)

Answer: D.

Number plugging:

Since given that x and y are negative numbers, say x=-1 and y=-2. \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=-1-2=-3\). Now, plug x=-1 and y=-2 into the options to see which one yields -3. Only D fits.

Absolute value questions and I don't seem to be getting close friends anytime soon

Here's what still doesn't make sense to me: if x=-1, then why does \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}\) become -1?? i understand the rule that when x<0 then |x|=-x and that the square root of x is equal to |x| but in this case we already know that x is negative. So when taking the square root out of (-1)² then why do we not get x=-1 (as we initially said) and hence x/x=(-1)/(-1)=1? it's not quite intuitive for me to go from \(\frac{\sqrt{(-1)^2}}{-1}\) to -1. I thought we are taking the square root out of x² in order to determine x, which we already know to be negative, hence it should be -1 in this example. i just don't seem to get it ...

or is it just a convention/ rule that when using square roots in value expressions we only consider the absolute values of such expressions and that therefore \(\frac{\sqrt{(-1)^2}}{-1}\) becomes -1 because we are dividing the absolute value of x=|x|=|-1|=1 by x=-1?

The point here is that the square root function cannot give negative result: \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\). So, \(\sqrt{(-1)^2}=\sqrt{1}=1\).

Thus if \(x=-1\), then \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}=\frac{\sqrt{(-1)^2}}{-1}=\frac{\sqrt{1}}{-1}=\frac{1}{-1}=-1\).

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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05 May 2014, 22:11

Bunuel wrote:

vaishnogmat wrote:

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

a) 1+y

b) 1−y

c) −1−y

d) y−1

e) x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks.

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}\)? A. 1+y B. 1-y C. -1-y D. y-1 E. x-y

Note that \(\sqrt{a^2}=|a|\). Next, since \(x<0\) and \(y<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\).

So, \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=\frac{|x|}{x}-\sqrt{(-y)*(-y)}=\frac{-x}{x}-\sqrt{y^2}=-1-|y|=-1+y\)

Answer: D.

Number plugging:

Since given that x and y are negative numbers, say x=-1 and y=-2. \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=-1-2=-3\). Now, plug x=-1 and y=-2 into the options to see which one yields -3. Only D fits.

Hi Bunnel,

I have one doubt on this

here x and y is <0 so we are considering |x| and |y| as -x and -y

so I just want to know in denominator we have |x|/x = -x/x. why we are not considering x in denominator as -x

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PathFinder007 wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

vaishnogmat wrote:

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

a) 1+y

b) 1−y

c) −1−y

d) y−1

e) x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks.

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}\)? A. 1+y B. 1-y C. -1-y D. y-1 E. x-y

Note that \(\sqrt{a^2}=|a|\). Next, since \(x<0\) and \(y<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\).

So, \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=\frac{|x|}{x}-\sqrt{(-y)*(-y)}=\frac{-x}{x}-\sqrt{y^2}=-1-|y|=-1+y\)

Answer: D.

Number plugging:

Since given that x and y are negative numbers, say x=-1 and y=-2. \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=-1-2=-3\). Now, plug x=-1 and y=-2 into the options to see which one yields -3. Only D fits.

Hi Bunnel,

I have one doubt on this

here x and y is <0 so we are considering |x| and |y| as -x and -y

so I just want to know in denominator we have |x|/x = -x/x. why we are not considering x in denominator as -x

Please clarify

Thanks.

x is a negative number, so -x is a positive number. So, knowing that x is negative doesn't mean that you should write -x instead of x. _________________

Re: M26-25 If x and y are negative numbers [#permalink]

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05 Aug 2014, 18:48

Bunuel wrote:

vaishnogmat wrote:

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

a) 1+y

b) 1−y

c) −1−y

d) y−1

e) x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks.

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}\)? A. 1+y B. 1-y C. -1-y D. y-1 E. x-y

Note that \(\sqrt{a^2}=|a|\). Next, since \(x<0\) and \(y<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\).

So, \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=\frac{|x|}{x}-\sqrt{(-y)*(-y)}=\frac{-x}{x}-\sqrt{y^2}=-1-|y|=-1+y\)

Answer: D.

Number plugging:

Since given that x and y are negative numbers, say x=-1 and y=-2. \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=-1-2=-3\). Now, plug x=-1 and y=-2 into the options to see which one yields -3. Only D fits.

Hi Bunuel,

Can you please explain one small point in this question. If the expression was √x^2/x −√-y∗y will the answer change? I am only trying to understand whether value will change between sqrt (-y^2) and sqrt(-y*|y|), given y is negative.

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hubahuba wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

vaishnogmat wrote:

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of √x^2/x −√-y∗|y|?

a) 1+y

b) 1−y

c) −1−y

d) y−1

e) x−y

I don't understand why do I get a different answer when I use numbers. Bunuel please show the explanation using numbers, not just pure theory. Thanks.

If x and y are negative numbers, what is the value of \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}\)? A. 1+y B. 1-y C. -1-y D. y-1 E. x-y

Note that \(\sqrt{a^2}=|a|\). Next, since \(x<0\) and \(y<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(|y|=-y\).

So, \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=\frac{|x|}{x}-\sqrt{(-y)*(-y)}=\frac{-x}{x}-\sqrt{y^2}=-1-|y|=-1+y\)

Answer: D.

Number plugging:

Since given that x and y are negative numbers, say x=-1 and y=-2. \(\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}-\sqrt{-y*|y|}=-1-2=-3\). Now, plug x=-1 and y=-2 into the options to see which one yields -3. Only D fits.

Hi Bunuel,

Can you please explain one small point in this question. If the expression was √x^2/x −√-y∗y will the answer change? I am only trying to understand whether value will change between sqrt (-y^2) and sqrt(-y*|y|), given y is negative.

In this case the question would be flawed: \(\sqrt{(-y)*y}=\sqrt{positive*negative}=\sqrt{negative}\) and the square roots from negative numbers are undefined for the GMAT. _________________